DaimlerChrysler to Bring Teeny Two-Seater to U.S.

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by F. H., Jun 30, 2006.

  1. F. H.

    TeGGeR® Guest



    My point exactly.

    The "Smart" is a political vehicle. It is manufactured for political
    reasons. Politics is a poor substitute for physics.
     
    TeGGeR®, Jul 5, 2006
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    Guest Guest

    Or a dumb cost / benefit ratio.
     
    Guest, Jul 5, 2006
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  3. F. H.

    Coyoteboy Guest

    The smarts pass all safety checks in the european ncap tests with
    flying colours, which includes passenger space intrusion, shock loading
    etc regulations, better than a lot of larger cars. The reason they cost
    more is because getting this kind of protection in a smaller lighter
    vehicle takes a lot of hard work and design time, and testing.

    Personally I wouldnt drive one, they're ugly, but for a city/suburbs
    car they are ideal and perfectly safe, if not safer than the vast
    majority of yank tanks.

    J
     
    Coyoteboy, Jul 5, 2006
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  4. F. H.

    Coyoteboy Guest

    Your suspicion is wrong, in the EU almost all of the drivers are young
    professionals aged 25-35, certainly all the ones i see round the cities
    ive visited, they arent THAT expensive here, just a little more than
    compact car.

    One of our car TV programs did a 50 or 70mph diagonal impact with a
    concrete wall test in one, I'll see if i can find the video for our
    viewing pleasure.
     
    Coyoteboy, Jul 5, 2006
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  5. F. H.

    Coyoteboy Guest

    When i say flying colours i mean it didnt fail miserably, it was rated
    as 3-4* i think. Stil higher than a lot of modern cars. NCAP tests are
    up to 40mph IIRC.

    Heres a clip from the fifth gear crash test at 70mph. Naturally at that
    speed the deceleration is rather drastic and probably fatal but that is
    the same in all small cars, and cars are not designed and tested to
    70mph anyway - the vast majority of accidents occur at lower speed and
    dont involve a solid concrete wall like this vid.

    as you can see from the picture the shell has almost zero intrusion
    (havign watched the show its clearer, there was about 3inches shift in
    the footwell area to one side but no dangerous 'trapping' or cutting
    issues) but little other damage. The accelerations inside were rather
    on the high side at that speed so it is assumed the driver would have
    died, but ive yet to see a crash test that didnt say that and plenty of
    peolpe do survive.

    You do make an interesting point about loss of steering control due to
    wheel contact, im not sure how they worked around that.

    http://xo.typepad.com/blog/2005/12/video_smart_car.html
     
    Coyoteboy, Jul 5, 2006
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  6. The 'yank tanks' we took over in WW II?

    ;-)
     
    Scott in Florida, Jul 5, 2006
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  7. Your suspicion is wrong, in the EU almost all of the drivers are young
    professionals aged 25-35, certainly all the ones i see round the cities
    ive visited, they arent THAT expensive here, just a little more than
    compact car.

    The US brands of car make a rather pathetic showing on the streets of
    Europe. Chevy advertises heavily; Ford less so, but you see many more
    Smarts and Toyotas on the road. Yaris is very popular.
     
    Edwin Pawlowski, Jul 6, 2006
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  8. F. H.

    Coyoteboy Guest

    I think they could be lol. Mind you, theres a beautiful 76 'vette down
    the road. Always wanted one since i was a kid. Cant corner, drinks
    fuel, totally excessive but I still LOVE them lol. I shoulda been a
    yank :)
     
    Coyoteboy, Jul 6, 2006
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    jim beam Guest

    dude, the /real/ political vehicles are those powered by ethanol or
    hydrogen.
     
    jim beam, Jul 6, 2006
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  10. DUH. Everybody is different. Depending on Age, health, lifestyle,
    diet, genetics, gender, etc. One person may be fine sitting in a
    Toyota Corolla as it careens into the rear of a stopped Cadillac at
    60mph. Bumps, bruises, broken bones, but no head trama. BUT the next
    person 50 years older would immediately die in such an impact as the
    brain matter sloshes around inside her head. Fatal Brain trauma and a
    snaped neck in the blink of an eye.

    Genetics has a lot to do with how well a person fairs in a car
    accident. Some people are just built a lot more robust than others.
    Bone density is different from person to person. Epithelial tissue is
    different. Even the difference of being "relaxed" at the time of the
    collision rather than "tense" can make all the difference in what kind
    of injuries a person sustains. One example is all the drunk drivers
    who kill and maime other motorists while walking away from it all with
    no injuries. The Alcohol put them in a relaxed state which prevents
    the flesh from getting damaged as easily.


    East-
     
    eastwardbound2003, Jul 6, 2006
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    Mike Hunter Guest

    Now THAT is funny. ;)


    mike hunt


     
    Mike Hunter, Jul 6, 2006
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    Ray O Guest

    Does that mean that someone who is asleep at the wheel having pleasant drams
    is less likely to be injured than someone who is asleep at the wheel having
    nightmares?
     
    Ray O, Jul 6, 2006
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  13. Interesting article in Home Power magazine, No 114. August/September 2006
    http://www.homepower.com/

    The Myth of a Hydrogen Future
    by Ulf Bossel, Swiss Federal Institute of Technology and Engineering

    High Points:

    --Hydrogen is not an energy source but an energy carrier (you have to create
    hydrogen from something)

    --2.2 gallons of hydrogen is the energy equivalent of 1 gallon of gasoline,
    you will process 2.4 gallons of water to get that kilo of hydrogen

    --To satisfy present fuel needs with hydrogen, Los Angeles would have to
    double it's water intake (already piped in from the Rockies) and use the
    energy equivalent of 80 power stations to crack the hydrogen & compress or
    liquidly it

    -252.87 o C is the boiling point of hydrogen. To make it economical to
    transport, some combination of super-refrigeration and pressure will be
    needed to compress it

    --because of low energy yield, it would take 22 gasoline truck-sized
    transports (hydrogen pressurized to 3500 psi) to equal the energy found in
    one tanker truck of gasoline

    --it will require 30-40% of the hydrogen's energy to compress or liquefy it
    for transportation

    --the power plant to wheel efficiency of electric cars approaches 60-70%,
    the best hydrogen fuel cells yield 17-23%
     
    William Dryden, Jul 7, 2006
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  14. In a Nut Shell, Yes.


    East-
     
    eastwardbound2003, Jul 7, 2006
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  15. F. H.

    TeGGeR® Guest


    Too true...
     
    TeGGeR®, Jul 7, 2006
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    Dave Kelsen Guest

    Not me. I'm the same.


    RFT!!!
    Dave Kelsen
     
    Dave Kelsen, Jul 7, 2006
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  17. You're unique... just like everyone else.
     
    Gordon McGrew, Jul 7, 2006
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  18. If a person is strapped in correctly, the deceleration (G-force) that
    can be tolerated is amazing. See: http://www.ejectionsite.com/stapp.htm
     
    Sharon K. Cooke, Jul 7, 2006
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  19. Some people certainly can, as some have survived remarkable falls. Auto
    safety has to be designed for the worst mainstream case, rather than the
    best. Captain Stapp's recklessness aside, there are good reasons for the 18
    G limit.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Jul 7, 2006
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