Do you have to title a car before you can sell it?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by LovingPerson, Feb 9, 2004.

  1. LovingPerson

    LovingPerson Guest

    Dear all:

    I bought a 95 Prelude back two months ago. I still haven't
    titled it, since I don't drive it. It just sits in my car port.

    I live in Maryland, but I am close to D.C. and Virginia. I have
    decided that I want to sell this car instead of keeping it.
    Therefore, it would make little sense for me to title it, pay the
    taxes and registration, just so I can sell it. I would like to avoid
    having to title it to me before selling it, if I can help it.

    My question is: do I have to title it to my name before I can
    sell a car? Or is there some way I can sign a bill of sale to someone
    else? The pink slip has already been signed over to me. So, the
    block under the "new Owner" has my name on the original pink slip.
    The previous owner signed that pink slip to me.

    Also, as far as making it road legal so that potential buyers
    can legally test drive it, I was thinking of getting a temporary
    registration. I have heard that these temporary tags are like transit
    tags. Do you think that this will work? I want to make the car road
    legal for buyers to test drive the car. Which state or (district, as
    in D.C.) is the best place to get transit tags. I want the longest
    possible time period for this temp tag so that I can wait for the
    right buyer with the right offer to buy the car.

    Another idea is getting a dealer tag, but I have no idea what is
    involved or how much it would cost. I just know that it seems that
    dealers are able to take any car and put their dealer tags on there
    and drive any unregistered cars.

    Please help. I really need it. Thx in advance.
     
    LovingPerson, Feb 9, 2004
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  2. In my state, title and registration are two entirely separate issues.
    You can title the car without registering it.

    Taxes are paid upon titling it.

    In general, yes, you must own the title before you transfer it to
    someone. Right now you probably have the original owner's title that he
    signed over to you, right?
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Feb 9, 2004
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  3. since the title has been signed to you then YES you do have to have it
    transfered to you before you can legally sell it...(i am in virginia
    but i would *THINK* that most states are similar)....selling one that
    has not been transfered is done sometimes when the title is "open",
    meaning that the seller did not put the new owners name on the
    title...it is not exactly legal to do so, but it does happen alot...
    JT
     
    Joey Tribiani, Feb 9, 2004
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  4. LovingPerson

    Jafir Elkurd Guest

    In my state, only a user car dealer can do that.
     
    Jafir Elkurd, Feb 9, 2004
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  5. LovingPerson

    LovingPerson Guest

    JT: Thank you for helping me on this. So, my next question is: once
    I hand over the title to the DMV, doesn't it take up to 4 weeks before
    the new title is printed and mailed to me? So, does this mean that I
    will have to wait all that time before I can sell the car? What if
    buyer comes right away before the new pink slip has been printed by
    the DMV?

    I don't think that it would be fair for the DMV to force me to wait to
    sell my car. So, in that case, what can be done?

    thx in advance.
     
    LovingPerson, Feb 9, 2004
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  6. LovingPerson

    Larry Guest

    You've probably already violated your state's rules of transfer of sale.
    What you need to do is pony up the $$, go to your local DMV and register the
    car. It has to be registered in the state where you reside...or the car is
    garaged and used. You can't pick which state suits your needs. Don't blame
    the DMV for ating up time to handle the paperwork....you've already
    lolygagged for 2 months doing anything. Have you added this car to your
    insurance policy so that coverage exists should a prospective buyer get into
    an accident? Dealers, btw, pay DMV fees for those dealer plates and its not
    cheap getting those as you must be a registered dealer with dealer's bond
    and insurance in place.


    JT: Thank you for helping me on this. So, my next question is: once
    I hand over the title to the DMV, doesn't it take up to 4 weeks before
    the new title is printed and mailed to me? So, does this mean that I
    will have to wait all that time before I can sell the car? What if
    buyer comes right away before the new pink slip has been printed by
    the DMV?

    I don't think that it would be fair for the DMV to force me to wait to
    sell my car. So, in that case, what can be done?

    thx in advance.[/QUOTE]
     
    Larry, Feb 9, 2004
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  7. LovingPerson

    ravelation Guest

    That's what I was thinking, too. Be prepared for the possibility of a
    fine.
    In CA, you have ten days to inform the DMV of the sale...and to pay the
    sales tax on the purchase. This is one area you can play with. If the
    seller is agreeable, you can alter the selling price so as to lower the
    tax you'll have to pay.
     
    ravelation, Feb 9, 2004
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  8. I don't think it's fair that you made the DMV wait two months (and counting)
    before submitting your title.

    So there. ;)
     
    Scott in Aztlán, Feb 9, 2004
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  9. LovingPerson

    Richard Guest


    Actually, having the "pink slip" doesn't mean that much as far as the state
    is concerned.
    The state does not know that you own the vehicle.
    Yeah, you can probably sell the car without registering it since you never
    plated it.
    So if whom you sell it to wants to plate it, he'd have to register it as
    his.
     
    Richard, Feb 9, 2004
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  10. once again i don't know about maryland, but i just titled a vehicle
    this past saturday here in virginia...walked in with the title from
    the seller(happened to be an auction vehicle from maryland, how
    ironic) and walked out with the new one...there is no wait, it is
    printed on the spot...(here in virginia)
    JT
     
    Joey Tribiani, Feb 9, 2004
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  11. In my state, no. They handle that right at the counter in about 3
    minutes.

    You're thinking of the whole car dealer thing. That's entirely
    different than you walking into the county offices and having them print
    you a title.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Feb 9, 2004
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  12. Why don't you call your local DMV office and ask, or at least
    check the DMV's web site to see if the info is there.
     
    Shawn \Me\ Hearn, Feb 10, 2004
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  13. LovingPerson

    Woody Guest

    Better take some bail money with you. Failure to pay the sales tax could
    land you in jail...


    JT: Thank you for helping me on this. So, my next question is: once
    I hand over the title to the DMV, doesn't it take up to 4 weeks before
    the new title is printed and mailed to me? So, does this mean that I
    will have to wait all that time before I can sell the car? What if
    buyer comes right away before the new pink slip has been printed by
    the DMV?

    I don't think that it would be fair for the DMV to force me to wait to
    sell my car. So, in that case, what can be done?

    thx in advance.[/QUOTE]
     
    Woody, Feb 10, 2004
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  14. LovingPerson

    Dave C. Guest

    JT: Thank you for helping me on this. So, my next question is: once
    Give or take, depending on the efficency of your state's (CA?) DMV. Their
    website should say how long to expect. NY took abut 5 weeks, NJ 3, and I
    can't remember CA although I think it was quicker than NY. If you have a
    decent and not crowded local DMV you might call/visit and ask them about
    your situation. You're more likely to get reliable answers about your
    options there, although I'd be sure to get it in writing in addition to
    whatever they tell you. (aka get a brochure, form, etc. which details
    possible things you can do, rather than relying on someone not having
    their head up their ass and giving you verbal misinformation.)

    You also could call a lawyer who works with traffic stuff.


    Unless he/she's comfortable giving a complete stranger money for a car
    she/he'll have questionable legal ownership of, you'll probably have to
    wait. Even if you find out an answer to your dilemma, the buyer might be
    uncomfortable. I sure would be unless you had ample documentation of how
    it was a binding sale. Then again many car buyers are dumb.


    Fair? DMV? Same sentence? Oh wow, that's a good one. You haven't been to
    many DMVs, have you?

    I was in a similar situation about a year ago - I had a disabled car
    street parked in Brooklyn and no title expected for a couple of weeks.
    Luckily the local blizzards caused street cleaning suspension several
    weeks in a row, preventing me from getting parking tickets, and by the
    time it thawed the title had arrived and I could dispose of the vehicle.
    Also luckily for me I still had an old CA license plate, which allowed me
    to surrender the plates and keep the car street parked (illegally of
    course but what cop is going to dig a convertible out of the snow to
    examine and run a check on not suspicious looking out of state plates?).
    However, if it wasn't for my good luck, I would have been quite
    screwed with parking tickets and waiting for the title.

    Dave
     
    Dave C., Feb 12, 2004
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  15. LovingPerson

    Mike Romain Guest

    They give you a temporary paper if they don't up and print the permanent
    one right there.

    Here in Canada, they just print up a new registration paper on the spot.

    Mike
    86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
    88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
     
    Mike Romain, Feb 12, 2004
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