Door Locks & Defoggers ?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by steve, Jun 7, 2009.

  1. steve

    steve Guest

    Hi;

    I have a 91 Civic and I will soon be shopping for a more modern used
    Civic or Corolla.

    There are two things I don't like about my car that I am hoping to get
    away in my new car.

    The first is the way the drivers side front door locks. You have to
    pull the handle to put the locking button down. I'm guessing this
    was meant to help people to NOT lock their keys in their car, but it
    has never prevented me from doing that. In fact, it is almost a
    daily nuisance as a try to get out of my car and hold my bag in my
    hand at the same time.

    Can this be avoided with a newer Honda?

    My current car does not have air conditioning. The defogging
    mechanism sucks. When it is raining and chilly/humid my windshield
    and other windows still fog up significantly.

    Will this not be the case with a car that also has air conditioning?
    Is there any way I can test defogging capabilities out while car
    shopping -- without having to wait for a rainy and humid day? :)

    Thanks in advance for any info

    Steve
     
    steve, Jun 7, 2009
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  2. steve

    L Alpert Guest

    Most newer vehicles use remotes for keyless entry and no longer
    require you to pull out the handle to lock even when in the car (power
    locks). As well, with AC most will use the compressor when using the
    defroster/defogger. If not, if you can manually turn on the AC while
    using them it will clear up the windows much faster.
     
    L Alpert, Jun 7, 2009
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  3. Yes.

    But I had such a beast; it became, quite literally, an unconscious move.
    Methinks you're resisting it way too hard, if it's not automatic by now.


    pssssst--A/C *is* the defogging mechanism. The entire purpose of A/C is
    to remove moisture from the air (most people think the purpose of A/C is
    to cool the air, but that is not the case). Without A/C, you can't
    remove moisture from the air. Hence, you don't have any sort of
    defogging mechanism.

    You've been operating under a misconception.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Jun 7, 2009
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  4. steve

    ACAR Guest

    Remote control solves this regardless of how the manual mechanism
    works. Most Civics and Corollas come standard with remote door lock
    control.
    Correct, A/C does the de-humidifying work.
    No. Trust us, it works just fine. However, you want to buy the car
    that has the best (coldest) A/C in your price range. Check the fans
    (feel the breeze) for max air movement, too. In my limited exprience,
    Toyota A/C is better than Honda A/C.
    Check the prices on Accords and Camrys while you're at the
    dealerships. Sometimes these cars are available at prices remarkably
    close to their smaller stable mates. I found the lower insurance
    premium cost for the Accord more than made up for the annual fuel cost
    differential.
     
    ACAR, Jun 7, 2009
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  5. In general, that is true. If you want to get the better A/C without
    doing a lot of legwork, just trust Toyota.

    Honda has come a long way, though. Of course, they had the longest way
    to come....
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Jun 8, 2009
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  6. steve

    Leftie Guest


    Well, someone has, anyway. Your statement will come as something of
    a surprise to those living in hot, dry climates. The *actual* purpose of
    AC is hinted at by the very acronym: "Air Conditioning." It's supposed
    to both cool *and* dehumidify the air, in order to keep it in bearable
    "condition," temperature and humidity-wise. Not one, both. It's the cold
    evaporator coils that do the dehumidifying.
     
    Leftie, Jun 8, 2009
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  7. Well, someone has, anyway. Your statement will come as something of
    a surprise to those living in hot, dry climates. The *actual* purpose of
    AC is hinted at by the very acronym: "Air Conditioning." It's supposed
    to both cool *and* dehumidify the air, in order to keep it in bearable
    "condition," temperature and humidity-wise. Not one, both. It's the cold
    evaporator coils that do the dehumidifying.[/QUOTE]

    The *main* purpose is to remove moisture, to allow the body's own
    cooling mechanism to work.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Jun 8, 2009
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  8. steve

    Jim Yanik Guest

    IMO,the intent of AC is to provide cool air,and the removal of moisture is
    only a secondary effect of providing cool air.(IOW,I think you're wrong)

    Remember that the hot interior of the car is not affected by moisture
    content.Thus the need for -cool air-,to pull out that heat.

    That is what makes you comfortable.(and keeps you from sweating heavily)
     
    Jim Yanik, Jun 8, 2009
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  9. steve

    Brian Smith Guest

    The removal of humidity from the air is what causes the cooking effect.
    See above.
     
    Brian Smith, Jun 8, 2009
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  10. Cool air in and of itself is meaningless to the human body. The body's
    cooling mechanism depends on its ability to evaporate moisture--and if
    you have very damp air, if the dew point is low, then the moisture your
    body emits as a cooling mechanism has nowhere to go. If the moisture
    can't evaporate, the body can't shed heat nearly well enough.

    Certainly you've had those days where the air is quite cool, but there's
    a bunch of moisture; it's quite uncomfortable, isn't it?

    The point of A/C is to provide an environment where the body's
    evaporative cooling mechanism can work.



    The cool temperature of the air is secondary to the fact that the
    moisture is removed. It's the removal of moisture, and that your body's
    evaporative cooling mechanism is allowed to work, that makes you
    comfortable.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Jun 8, 2009
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  11. steve

    Paul Guest

    So, driving through Death Valley at noon on a July day with the windows open
    to let in plenty of that dry air, we'd be cool and comfortable, correct?
     
    Paul, Jun 8, 2009
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  12. steve

    cindy Guest

    After 1998 the hold-the-driver's-lever-out-to-lock-the-door was gone.
    If you have power locks you can't lock the doors if the key is in the
    ignition. You can lock all doors when you push down the manual lock
    near the driver's door window.

    The defroster works best with the Non-Recirculating mode of the AC.

    sarita
     
    cindy, Jun 8, 2009
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  13. steve

    Jim Yanik Guest

    wrong. ambient temperature DOES matter to the body.
    THAT is what makes one sweat,not how much humidity is present.
    not as uncomfortable as a hot interior of a auto,at 100-140 degF or even
    more,despite how dry it might be.
    wrong.
    the purpose of auto AC is to remove heat from the interior of the auto.
    moisture content doesn't matter in that respect.

    the heat is what makes a person perspire. not the humidity.
    if the air temp inside is 110 degF,it doesn't matter to the human body if
    the humidity is only 10%.
     
    Jim Yanik, Jun 8, 2009
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  14. steve

    Jim Yanik Guest

    BTW,the air conditioning system is a HEAT transfer device;
    it works by moving -heat- from one area to another.

    moisture removal is secondary,a side benefit.
     
    Jim Yanik, Jun 8, 2009
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  15. No, moisture removal--necessary for the body's evaporative cooling
    mechanism to work--is the primary goal.

    To remove moisture, one uses the concept of condensation--which requires
    a cool surface to move the moist air over.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Jun 9, 2009
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  16. So, driving through Death Valley at noon on a July day with the windows open
    to let in plenty of that dry air, we'd be cool and comfortable, correct?[/QUOTE]

    Cooler than with the windows closed, yes.

    Of *course* cool air is part of the equation--but it's not the primary
    part.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Jun 9, 2009
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  17. steve

    jim beam Guest


    sorry dude, it's the other way around. you can dry air without cooling
    it. you can't cool it without condensation. moisture removal is simply
    an artifact of cooling. thermodynamics.
     
    jim beam, Jun 9, 2009
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  18. steve

    Joe Guest

    Both are somewhat true, though the temp is a bit more important, IMO.

    If the humidity is high, when you sweat, it does not evaporate, and
    therefore does nothing to lower your body temp. That is why it seems
    more uncomfortable to be in Southern Florida at 100 F than in Arizona
    at the same temp. BUT, so long as the temp is 100 F, you're going to
    be hot, and no amount of de-humidifying is going to change that.
    And in a car, the temp will be even higher.

    Therefore, you need cool air to reduce the temp, and some measure of
    de-humidification, especially in very humid climates, to help your
    body cool itself.

    Also, the warmer air is, the higher a percentage of absolute humidity
    it can hold. 70 degree air simply holds less moisture than 100 degree
    air does. If you can lower the temp on the inside of the vehicle, it
    will be less humid by definition...
     
    Joe, Jun 9, 2009
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  19. how?
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Jun 9, 2009
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  20. steve

    Jim Yanik Guest

    stuff that absorbs moisture;hygroscopic materials. like silica gel.
     
    Jim Yanik, Jun 9, 2009
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