Electrical Problem w/ my 89 Honda Accord

Discussion in 'Accord' started by jrquiz, Jan 9, 2006.

  1. jrquiz

    Remco Guest

    I think your assesment was totally correct and complete from jump.
    You don't have to clarify anything as it was spot on: If you see 15V
    with the car running and 10V with the car off, it most likely is the
    battery.
    Just like when you drive the car and hear "whompa-whompa" it is most
    likely a flat tire. Can it be something else? Sure but to first assume
    it isn't is just silly :)

    Good call.
     
    Remco, Jan 10, 2006
    #21
  2. As Remco details, Elle got it right.

    Any battery that is charging at 15 volts and after charging reads 10 volts
    under load is bad... poor connections or not. As Remco pointed out in an
    earlier post, the caveat is that there really could be a significant load,
    and that slim possibility had to be ruled out to be iron-clad certain.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Jan 11, 2006
    #22
  3. Bad batteries take a lot of current trying to pretend they are okay. As they
    get weaker the battery voltage deteriorates, from failure to hold a charge
    and sometimes from shorted cells. Either way, failing batteries (or dead
    batteries) cause the alternator to put out maximum current for progressively
    longer times in order to bring the voltage up to the regulator level.

    Alternators are odd things - by design, they will only put out so much
    current for a given field excitation. The ratings you see on alternators are
    those maximum ratings for about 14 volts on the field. The way that works is
    that the voltage they produce is proportional to rpm, and the frequency at
    which they operate internally is proportional to rpm. Since the stator
    windings are inductors, their reactance is proportional to the frequency (in
    turn proportional to rpm) so the maximum current the alternator will put
    out, even into a short circuit, is limited.

    In the '60s, the alternator could put out the full rating (usually 35 amps)
    indefinitely. They were big, Tim Allen devices that scarcely ran warm at
    full output. Those days are long gone. Modern alternators are much smaller
    and are called on to put out much more current - often 60 to 100 amps. With
    a good battery, the electrical systems are carefully designed not to burn up
    and still keep up with demand. With a bad battery, the alternator runs too
    hot and cooks the insulation and the diodes. Eventually too much damage is
    done and the alternator fails.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Jan 11, 2006
    #23
  4. jrquiz

    TeGGeR® Guest



    Nice writeup. It's going into the FAQ.
     
    TeGGeR®, Jan 12, 2006
    #24
  5. jrquiz

    Matt Ion Guest

    Jumping in here... if you're reading 15+ volts across the battery with
    the car running, it's very possible that your voltage regulator is bad
    and the overvoltage is killing your batteries over time - alternator
    output should normally not be much over 14.5V with engine running and no
    load (no lights, wipers, blower, etc.).

    The regulator is, I believe, internal to the alternator, so you're
    looking at needing to remove and rebuild or replace the alternator.
    Have Autozone do a proper alternator test to make sure there's no other
    problems, before you end up needing to replace your new battery again.
     
    Matt Ion, Jan 16, 2006
    #25
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