End of Term Lease of Honda Accord Coupe 2003

Discussion in 'Accord' started by juliana0328, Mar 2, 2007.

  1. juliana0328

    juliana0328 Guest

    Ok, so my lease is coming to an end this month and want to know what I
    should expect when this inspection guy comes to my house and does
    Honda's end of lease term inspection. I have kept the car in great
    condition. It has one small scratch on the driver's side door and 1
    ding on the other side. No cracks on any mirrors, windows nothing.
    Radio, CD, AC an vents work fine. Heated seats work fine. Everything
    is great. The only thing that I have no record of is this stupid 7500
    mile maintance record. This is because my father does all of my car
    work. We have been extremely diligent with changing the oil, rotating
    tires, changing filter, etc, etc....So, I have no records of oil
    changes or things like that. The car drives fine. I have always used
    Honda brake pads straight from the dealer but we have always put them
    on ourselves. Here are my concerns:
    -I have absolutely no intentions of leasing another car from Honda, as
    a matter of fact I already leased a new Pontiac. I was treated
    terribly at the Honda dealership that I went to and plan to never
    lease or buy a car from Honda ever again. So will they want to charge
    me for erronous things if they see that I am not returning to them?
    -There are a few minor scratches on one of my rims, will that be seen
    as excessive damage?
    -My maintance light has been on for a while now because although we
    have done all of the required maintance work on it, I have tried to do
    that silly key in the ignition, hold down the button on the odomoter
    screen thing, and nothing happens. I have read the manual one hundred
    times thinking maybe I was doing this sequence incorrectly but with no
    avail. Does anyone know if after a certain amount of mileage, you
    definitely have to have Honda turn this stupid light off for you?

    I am freakin out because I have taken good care of this car never to
    have known that all receipts were necessary at the end of lease term,
    nor did anyone tell me that at the dealership when I leased the car
    four years ago. Has anyone had experience with Honda and returning
    their vehicles. Oh, just as a side note, I am under mileage on the
    car, it currently has 48,300 and I am under about 20 thousand miles.

    Any opinions or advice would be helpful.
     
    juliana0328, Mar 2, 2007
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  2. juliana0328

    News Guest


    BOHICA
     
    News, Mar 2, 2007
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  3. juliana0328

    Tegger Guest

    wrote in @v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:


    This will be noted. They may charge you for it depending on the exact
    nature of the damage. If the scratch is through the paint and there's
    rust, you'll almost certainly be charged, because they'll have to
    repaint the door.




    If you mean curb damage, then yes.




    What does this light say on it? Are you not confusing it with the Check
    Engine light?

    You're not telling us the year of your Accord.



    Did you read the lease contract? These things are normally pointed out
    to you when you sign the contract.
     
    Tegger, Mar 2, 2007
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  4. juliana0328

    juliana0328 Guest

    Yes, I checked the lease contract and it doesnt state anything about
    having the vehicle taken to Honda always for maintance repairs etc.
    The car is a 2003 model. As far as the rim, the damage is minimal, but
    yes, it is curb damage. I mean, it's a four year old car (it was a
    four year old lease) there has to be some kind of wear and tear on the
    vehicle, no? As far as the light, it is not the check engine light. It
    is the MAINTANCE LIGHT, and I have tried several times to do what it
    says on the manual and it does not work. Although, I have done it is
    the past, it wont do it now. Honestly, I looked through all of my
    papers yesterday and no, nothing is stated on the contract that the
    car had to be returned with all receipts. Nor was this stated to me at
    the signing of my contract. My saleswoman was extremely incompetent
    and I should have never signed anything because she was very ignorant
    about the car to begin with. Honda also has great ways of rising your
    lease price once you have decided to lease the car. After the total
    amount was told to me, the woman told me I had to then talk to the
    lease manager and he was able to convince me into getting all these
    stupid extra items like, peace of mind contract with Honda that should
    anything ever happen to the car (i.e. I totalled the car) I would be
    able to get a new Honda from that particular year. In the end, my
    payments ended up being more than what I had originally been told. My
    fault since it was my very first car lease, ignorance on my part,
    definitely.

    But, like I said, the car is in very good to good condition except for
    these minor things. No the rim isnt terribly scratched but it is a
    little. So, I dont know how that will affect the inspection. I was
    thinking about buying a new honda rim myself for cheaper and putting
    it on the car. The other thing also is that on the side of the tire it
    has some of it was chipped off when I did hit the curb. So, does that
    mean I should buy a new tire and rim? Honestly, I would buy a new tire
    and rim just because I know Honda will charge me a lot more for all
    these things than if I were to go and get them myself.

    Never again will I lease a Honda ever again, not just due to this
    inspection business being so extremely obnoxious but because of the
    way I was treated there last week. I still dont know what dealer to
    return to vehicle to considering that two dealerships were extremely
    rude to me.
     
    juliana0328, Mar 2, 2007
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  5. juliana0328

    Tegger Guest

    wrote in


    It never will (but it may "recommend" a franchised Honda dealer). It
    just would state you need to service the vehicle according to the
    service schedule.




    Yes, but curb damage is due to careless parking habits, not normal wear
    and tear. You might get lucky and the inspector won't notice or care.




    Can't explain that. Get somebody else to try. You HAVE to get that light
    turned off before the inspector shows up.




    Then you don't need receipts. Don't worry about it. If you get asked
    where the car was serviced, tell the truth.




    They ALL do that. That's how they make their real money. That's their
    job. Your job is to resist that.

    Also, American Honda has nothing at all to do with the negotiation of
    the lease. That's done by the independent dealership which owns a Honda
    franchise. This is why you will find drastic differences from one
    dealership to another; they're all independents, just flying the
    automaker's banner under license.

    All Honda did was sell the car to the dealership. Which, in your case,
    eventually sold the car to Honda Finance Corporation once you signed the
    lease.





    It's a dog-eat-dog world out there. The informed buyer is the successful
    buyer.

    It's fairly easy to go in buying instead of leasing and to go in asking
    for an on-the-road price, and quite a lot harder to go in trying to
    lease/finance. That's where they make their money.

    Takes a tough, quick, educated mind to deflect the attempts at getting
    more cash from you. It may be wise to hire an outside expert to
    negotiate your lease for you next time. You may spend less on him than
    you would on the additional charges you'd otherwise get suckered into
    agreeing to.





    Wait until you get called on it. If the inspector says it's a problem,
    you can then say you will replace the rim. If he says nothing, you say
    nothing.

    Never volunteer ANYTHING and never ask questions. Let HIM find any
    problems.




    You'll pay the same retail price either way unless you obtain the wheel
    from a wreckers. Expect to pay about $400 for one new wheel.

    And having one new wheel and one tire different from the rest may also
    raise red flags for the inspector. It's not considered safe to have two
    tires with different tread or different tread depths on the same axle.
    And your ABS may even complain if the tires are different enough, so by
    replacing just the one wheel/tire, you may be making a real rat's nest
    for yourself.



    They ALL do it. You won't escape that buying from a different
    manufacturer.
     
    Tegger, Mar 2, 2007
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  6. juliana0328

    juliana0328 Guest

    Thank you for the advice. Ok, I guess I just have one last question.
    The first year that I leased the car, one of the tires had a bubble on
    it, so I decided to replace it. Does this mean that I am going to get
    charged because I changed a tire that could have in the end caused an
    accident? I guess I dont seem to understand this.

    As far as the tire thread, if the car has only been driven 48,000
    miles (20,000 miles under the lease maximum) then the tire thread
    should still be in ok conditions to turn in, right? Or am I mistaken
    on this fact? Also, if the inspector says that my tires are too worn,
    can I go ahead and buy cheaper tires (all four obviously). I dont see
    how a tire would cost me $400. Or were you referring to all four tires
    being replaced?

    While I understand that this is how all dealerships make their money.
    There is a huge difference between getting treated like crap and
    getting treated with respect. My husband and I have owned 4 Pontiacs,
    all leased. Never have we ever had any problems whatsoever with any
    end of lease terms. Nor, have we ever been treated with disrespect.
    This is what makes or breaks dealerships, I believe. This is why I
    have decided to lease a Pontiac instead of even trying to see if Honda
    was willing to waive the fees for the Accord. I want Honda out of my
    life forever. Terrible service and dealership tactics. While the cars
    may be great, their employees are smug, obnoxious and too sneaky for
    me to do business with. Pontiac on the otherhand, I had no problems
    whatsoever.
     
    juliana0328, Mar 2, 2007
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  7. juliana0328

    Tegger Guest

    wrote in @n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:


    That's not what I mean.

    48K miles is plenty to cause tread wear to the point that replacement of
    one tire now will be obvious. Replacement of a tire in the car's first
    year is fine, as the others will be still-new anyway. Besides, tires
    come with warranties, and it's expected that warranty will be exercised
    from time to time.



    The WHEEL is $400 (that's the metal part you scraped up).
    The rubber TIRE is on top of that, and can run you anywhere from $40 to
    $400 depending on make, model and size.

    Don't worry about this right now. Just turn off the Maint. light and
    leave the tire and wheel alone.

    If the inspector tells you the tire and wheel are a problem, he can
    advise you how best and cheapest to get it fixed. He's not making a
    commission or anything on this, just inspecting the car, so he has no
    incentive to try to rip you off.



    Certainly is.

    I did say there is a wide difference between dealerships on account of
    them being separate companies. What's not fair is your denigration of
    Honda corporate for the actions of a bad dealership. Honda had zero to
    do with your lease and how the dealership handled you.

    It's unfortunate that people see the carmaker's company logo on the
    building and figure the building is owned and operated by that company.
    This is not so.

    If you're really dissatisfied with your treatment by the dealership's
    employees and the dealership manager won't help, THEN you can call Honda
    and tell your tale of woe to them directly. Honda has a vested interest
    in not having their dealers give them a bad name.

    American Honda Motor Co., Inc.
    Honda Automobile Customer Service
    1919 Torrance Boulevard
    Mail Stop: 500 - 2N - 7D
    Torrance, CA 90501-2746
    phone: (800) 999-1009




    Again, you happened to deal with a nice Pontiac franchise. You have yet
    to ever deal with GM or Pontiac at all.

    There are plenty of Pontiac dealers who are sharks too.




    You've never dealt with Pontiac or GM, just an independent company
    flying their flag.
     
    Tegger, Mar 2, 2007
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  8. juliana0328

    juliana0328 Guest

    Thanks for the advice. I appreciate the help.
     
    juliana0328, Mar 2, 2007
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  9. Bullshit. They handed you the contract, which you signed. They then
    handed you a copy of the contract that you signed.

    What do you mean "they never told me"?

    Oh--you're one of those who never reads things, then complains when
    someone doesn't spoon-feed you the details without you having to read
    and understand the contract.

    You're a fucking idiot. You have the contract right in your hands, and
    in FACT you had the contract in your hands BEFORE you signed it. You
    had the opportunity then to back out of the deal if the terms were bad.

    But you signed, and now you're obligated to the terms of the contract.
    Why are you bitching NOW?

    Fucking moron. Go away, little child. The world doesn't exist to serve
    you.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Mar 2, 2007
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  10. It's a dog-eat-dog world out there. The informed buyer is the successful
    buyer.[/QUOTE]

    But he's a fucking moron who deserves what he gets.
     
    Elmo P. Shagnasty, Mar 2, 2007
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  11. juliana0328

    Tegger Guest

    wrote in @n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

    You're welcome.

    And don't be shy about playing up the "helpless female" thing. It's more
    effective than you might think (just don't overdo it).
     
    Tegger, Mar 2, 2007
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  12. juliana0328

    tww1491 Guest

    But he's a fucking moron who deserves what he gets.
    [/QUOTE]

    As I recollect, the Honda owners site has quite a bit of info and a
    checklist vis damage and what is allowable. Given what was said here is
    enough reason to avoid buying a car off lease. Having the work done at
    Honda is recorded and available.
     
    tww1491, Mar 2, 2007
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