For SUV haters

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Leon, Jun 11, 2004.

  1. Leon

    SoCalMike Guest

    do "gas guzzler" taxes apply only to cars?
     
    SoCalMike, Jun 15, 2004
    #21
  2. Leon

    Pars Guest

    Case in point, an SUV in the streets of Paris could be comparable to a big rig
    in our neighborhood streets. Especially when there's already very little room
    for the tinny mini cars.

    Pars
     
    Pars, Jun 16, 2004
    #22
  3. Leon

    tomk Guest

    i didn't say he couldn't fit into a golf cart. i said a midsized car.
     
    tomk, Jun 16, 2004
    #23
  4. Leon

    LBJGH Guest

    B.S. A midsized car has as much, or more legroom than a pickup or SUV.

    An Accord has 33 mm greater leg room in front than a GMC Yukon... the Yukon does have 8 mm greater headroom in front.

    Does your buddy have long legs or a big head?
     
    LBJGH, Jun 16, 2004
    #24
  5. Yes, it does give a strange perverse satisfaction to hear the SUVers whinge
    so about the recent gas price hikes. D'oh, did they think it wasn;t going
    to happen?:) They should move to Iraq, where apparently the U.S. taxpayer
    is subsidizing gasoline to the extent of a pump price of ~5¢/gal.:)
    Paris has the same mix of light trucks, pickups, vans and other commericial
    and semi-commercial vehicles as any other city; it also has some of the
    widest boulevards of any city on the planet. The streets are *not* all to
    small - no different really from NYC.

    As for the banning of tractor trailers from neighborhoods, it's always
    seemed absurd to me that those things were allowed in streets where it is
    impossible for them to obey the road rules - IOW if you cannot get around
    that corner without riding the curb, taking down a bush/tree and crossing a
    double yellow or solid line on to the wrong side of the road... don't go
    around that corner.

    Rgds, George Macdonald

    "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
     
    George Macdonald, Jun 16, 2004
    #25
  6. Many SUVs are no bigger than the average Paris taxi-cab.

    Rgds, George Macdonald

    "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
     
    George Macdonald, Jun 16, 2004
    #26
  7. Leon

    Pars Guest

    Allright, they're not all too small, but there's enough small roads to make it an
    issue.
    Espeically when it's time to park the car.
    True, You'd have to be one gutsy driver to take a big rig into the downtown area. Some

    of these Grayhound drivers seems to make it look easy.

    Pars
     
    Pars, Jun 17, 2004
    #27
  8. Leon

    tomk Guest

    thats not fair to criticize the SUVers for whining about gas prices.
    thats like buying a new grill and then having it rain all summer.

    instead i'd blame the ones who voted (or lack of) the goon into
    office responsible for the price increase.
    thats like asking your neighbor to hose you down every time you
    go outside to barbecue.
     
    tomk, Jun 17, 2004
    #28
  9. I think you can assume that modifying the vehicle ride height for
    street use would be illegal. And I think you could pretty well count
    on it voiding your insurance.

    Would police/munincipalities enforce it? Some would. (Similar to
    window tinting.) Eventually one would stop you. You would be fined
    and your insurance canceled. Your auto registration would be
    suspended until you could prove that the vehicle had been returned to
    compliance.

    And if your modified vehicle kills or injures someone, your willful
    endangerment of their life would certainly be considered in the
    lawsuit(s) against you. (The ones the insurance company will have
    nothing to do with.)
     
    Gordon McGrew, Jun 17, 2004
    #29
  10. yes
     
    Gordon McGrew, Jun 17, 2004
    #30
  11. Judging from the height of the flames, I would say most SUV drivers in
    Iraq keep their tanks pretty full.
     
    Gordon McGrew, Jun 17, 2004
    #31
  12. Leon

    SoCalMike Guest

    dunno bout the insurance part, but it will void the mfr warranty, and if
    the truck gets stolen/totalled, and the lift kit isnt on the policy, the
    insurance wont pay for it
    kinda weird- seems in so cal, theyll harass kids for wheels that stick
    out, tint, loud exhaust, but the (mostly white) kids with the lifted
    trucks dont get harassed.
    i guess i could see a johnny cockran doing something like that, but if
    you get hit by a truck, its going to suck no matter if its lifted or not.
     
    SoCalMike, Jun 17, 2004
    #32
  13. Criticize? I'm laughing at them and their myopic vehicle choice.

    Grill in the garage.:) The impact is somehwat different in terms of
    national economic health.
    You think OPEC gives a shit about Iraq? The price of oil has little to do
    with the situation in Iraq, which was not pumping much anyway under the
    corrupt U.N. oil-for-food program. The oil industry infrastructure in Iraq
    is err, broken... after 12 years of neglect. Think about blaming the
    growing economic success of China which is sitting on its indigenous oil
    source, while the world market price makes it attractive to do so.

    Rgds, George Macdonald

    "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
     
    George Macdonald, Jun 17, 2004
    #33
  14. Leon

    SoCalMike Guest

    which is exactly what america does. they learn from us pros!

    we have oil in texas, and alaska, and california. we just dont use it.

    why? hell- why not? the oil companies are getting their share, so they
    dont care.
     
    SoCalMike, Jun 18, 2004
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  15. Leon

    SAC 441 Guest

    Oil companies will start to care about their reserve capacities once
    hydrogen fueled fuel cell vehicles start to hit the market around
    2010.....there will be head to head competition in the energy arena.This
    will be the beginning of the end of the oil fuel era too.The Saudis know
    this as well.That is why they are trying to moderate prices right now.If
    prices continued to go through the roof,these technologies would rollout
    even faster and hasten their demise.It is in the cards anyway;all they
    can do is slow it down.Hybrids ARE ALREADY HERE....these cars are a
    stopgap between now and then.In general OPEC will have diminishing
    influence.
     
    SAC 441, Jun 18, 2004
    #35
  16. Leon

    tomk Guest

    i'm aware that the US imports most of it oil from mexico and not the
    middle east. but there is the increased inflation, increased taxation,
    and general cost-compiling related to the import and refining of oil.
    i miss the economy and overall standard of living from the clinton
    days.


    me??
     
    tomk, Jun 18, 2004
    #36
  17. Leon

    ravelation Guest

    Gee thanks, Gordon....You've given me one more thing to worry about as a
    mom of someone whose car is modified somewhat illegally. :^)

    I always knew the darker tint might get him stopped, but hadn't thought
    about the angle you present. I will be *so* happy when he reaches the
    age that *he's* responsible for his actions, not us. It's 18, right?
    Fingers crossed it's not 21....
     
    ravelation, Jun 18, 2004
    #37
  18. I suppose it's always possible that someone is going to stumble on a wonder
    catalyst which makes hydrogen production economically feasible --
    personally I have my doubts -- and that the portability problem will be
    solved... even more doubts. The current talk of hydrogen as a fuel is a
    fraud.
    Yeah well we also have FFVs in the Mid-West which run on ethanol and
    gasoline but that doesn't mean they are viable - in fact their existence
    owes more to the D.C. pork barrel than any sound science/economics.

    Rgds, George Macdonald

    "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
     
    George Macdonald, Jun 18, 2004
    #38
  19. It doesn't matter where exactly the oil comes from - it's a global market.

    Clinton got lucky - the rot, mostly triggered by the dot-bomb, had already
    started before he left but he dodged the major brunt of it. If you want a
    scapegoat.... err, Greenspan whom Clinton left to run amok.

    Rgds, George Macdonald

    "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
     
    George Macdonald, Jun 18, 2004
    #39
  20. I wouldn't worry much about the tint leading to insurance/liability
    issues - hard to show it caused an accident. Getting pulled over is
    another matter.

    As for your son's emancipation; ages may vary from state to state and
    there may be other factors like who owns the car, who pays the
    insurance, does he live with you, claimed as a dependent, etc.

    Good luck.
     
    Gordon McGrew, Jun 18, 2004
    #40
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