for the guys that are into recreational oil changing...

Pardon? The manual is pointing out that one must drive "most of the
time" in the severe conditions listed to warrant following the severe
schedule. Only occasionally driving in severe conditions warrants the
normal schedule.

 

Evidence that bulk oil is inferior, if it is the same brand and grade.

Jeff

 

Heh... Probably a product of the public school system!

JT

 

Aimed at the same people who have always used "premium" fuel, simply
because "it's premium". Also, "if it costs more, it MUST be better."

There are those here and elsewhere who would tell you, "if you can't
afford the service, then you can't afford the car." They use that to
defend a Lexus ES350 oil change costing $150 compared to the $30 oil
change on the same engine over at the Toyota dealer.

Those people are defending their burning need to BELIEVE.

And Infiniti has chosen, brilliantly, to cater to people who WANT cash
to leave their pockets. That cash is GOING to leave their pockets no
matter what; Infiniti figured it might as well go into Infiniti's
coffers as to Starbucks for a $5.00 cup of coffee.

 

I am a product of the public school system, and quite proud of it. So
are my students.

Jeff

 

How about stop-and-go traffic in freezing temperatures on de-iced roads? I
had many days like that just this past winter.

 

That's the rub. It comes out of a tank. Neither you, nor the service
station who uses it, KNOWS for sure what brand the oil REALLY is -
except for the lube shops that are owned by a particular oil company.
And then you don't know for sure what line of oil they are actually
using. Every oil company has their "economy grade" and their
"premium" at the very least.

I know for a FACT that sometimes when you order (as a garage) a
certain brand of premium multigrade oil from a distributor you do NOT
get either that brand or their premium oil.

When you use packaged oil you KNOW what you are getting.

I'm NOT saying that bulk oil is in any way necessarily inferior - I
used to use bulk oil a LOT in my service station and dealership days.
I generally bought only directly from the oil company - when at the
service station from the oil company that owned the fuel tanks -
Texaco , Shell ,, Esso, etc, and at the dealerships from the single
line distributor for either Castrol, Quaker State, Kendall, etc or the
oil companies listed above.

When the dealership started buying from a large industrial lubricant
company that distributed Quaker State, Valvoline, Castrol, and several
other lines we never knew for sure what was in the tank. Can you say
"brand of the week"?

The only way to know what oil you were REALLY getting was to order
Kendall GT-1 - none of the "competitors'" oils were that distinctive
BLUE colour!!!!

 

Well, at least you think you do. Further, when you get expensive oil out
of a bottle, who knows if that is really what you're buying,
partilcularly at a place where you're not the one opening the bottle.

 

FWIW, many oil processors "trade" refinery capacity. Here in Alberta, Esso
Petroleum Canada processes lube oils for Husky Oil Marketing. As long as a
motor oil bears an API rating......

 

Keepin' the chain going, eh?

JT

 

Lady, I can't really imagine how much fun it must be to live in your
world. It's a shame there's no one there with you
.. Back in the 70's, when I smoked a lot of herb, I never hallucinated -
so I surmise that either pot has changed a lot, or you're doing
something considerably more serious.

Either way, you should probably get some help, but I don't suppose
you'll understand that any better than anything else you've had read to you.

Be careful, man; have a safe journey, and try not to hurt anyone else!


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen

 

Last December I bought a new car, trading my 3 year old with 67000 trouble
free miles. I do believe in proper maintenance but I'm not going to follow
the dealer's recommendations. When I bought the car they gave me a service
"menu" with the miles, work to be performed, and cost. Following their
schedule I'd have spent an additional $2200 in that three years. As for
trade in value, they never looked at the car so it was not something that
had payback in resale.

 

About this washing and "sealing" your cars every few weeks and the
headlight lens rubbing you mentioned.
Did this all start when you were a hophead all doped up on grass?
Did you also drop acid? Never mind, doesn't matter here.
You said you are "down to" washing and "sealing" your cars every few
weeks now. I believe you said you did this with "3 Hondas."
Was that ever a weekly or daily occurrence with one or more cars?
Do you have a "secret" recipe for the "sealer" that requires a specific
ritual to get the "sealer" mix just right, only known to you?
Do you often feel that other people "just don't understand me?"
Do people like this - people who just don't understand you - seem to be
coming at you, one after another?
Do you feel that Honda owners are not "given the respect they deserve?"
Do you feel this very strongly when you are washing and "sealing" the
Hondas?
The reason I ask these questions is because I am a drug addiction
counselor and I recognize some common symptoms of drug addiction
aftermath in your posts. I'm assuming you are clean now,
I'm sorry I can't help you here, but I suggest you get down to a local
health center and discuss this with them. They are there to help.
Don't think there is a stigma attached to that, and you can be sure
that any information revealed in counseling will be kept private.
What happens with a counselor stays with the counselor.
That's what we counselors say. And we mean it.
Started saying that after the Vegas commercials began, and it fits.
If you are using your real name, please stop posting to the internet and
usenet for now with that name.
There are bad people who will use your own words against you, without
giving any thought that you may not be of sound mind.

Regards, David

 

This is one of the more amusing posts that I have read in some time.

 

Now you're getting in the spirit of the woman I responded to! If we
could all see things her way, as you do, none of us would allow actual
facts get in the way of our... thoughts.

You've done a good job here!


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen

 

Oil analysis would have to be validated as a dependable technique
which actually relates to the important values by which a motor oil
should be rated. Test engine data would seem to be inherently
relevant. Chemical analysis of the oil might be.

I know of Bobistheoilguy.

 

What did you do about it, Bill, and what was the result? This sort of
chicanery has been found at dealerships, quick change franchises, and
independent shops. I hope it isnt widespread, but it DOES happen.

 

At our company's fleet garage, we bought "bulk" oil, but it came
packaged in 55 gallon drums. It was never delivered in a tank truck
and pumped into an open bulk tank.

This level of "bulk" was substantially cheaper than buying bottled oil,
and the risk of contamination was less.

 

In my mother's situation, I raised hell at the dealership. I did allow
them to do the oil and filter change along with an apology. I do all of
the work on my own cars, so it's not like I could tell them I wasn't
going to do business with them again. And when the opportunity arises
in the community, I tell them about what happened. For unrelated
reasons, my mother sold that car just a very few months later, so what
to do about her future oil changes became moot.

On the Jeep that my daughter bought, I let the previous owner know that
her wonderful next door neighbor that managed the neighborhood Amerilube
had been ripping her off for years and suggested that she check the
other vehicles she owned that had been serviced there. Of course she
could have been giving me a complete line of B.S. the whole time, but I
doubt a person lieing about it would have made up the bit about the next
door neighbor being the manager of the Amerilube that supposedly had
done all the oil/filter changes. If she was telling the truth,
hopefully the next door neighbor lost some business and reputation
(personal and business) over it.

 

The chain of excellence, of course.