Fresh air button causes drop in airflow?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by DaveC, Jul 22, 2003.

  1. DaveC

    DaveC Guest

    In this 1990 Accord, when the Recirc button is pressed, airflow is good. No
    problems.

    When I push the Fresh Air button, the airflow coming out of all vents drops
    about 20 percent.

    I looked under the hood at the intake where the fresh air comes in, but
    there's no removeable cover to be able to check for debris (leaves, etc.).

    Anyone else experience this? Cause? Fix?

    Is there a climate-control filter on this car?

    Thanks,
     
    DaveC, Jul 22, 2003
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  2. DaveC

    E. Meyer Guest

    Recirc opens a little door just above the right seat passengers feet and
    recirculates the air from inside the car rather than drawing from outside.
    When you switch to fresh, it closes the little door and opens the passage to
    bring in outside air through the inlets at the base of the windshield. A
    side effect of this is a reduction in fan noise because the fan is very near
    the recirc door. It is possible that the air inlets are clogged with
    debris, but usually it is just the change in fan noise that gives the
    illusion of reduced air flow.
     
    E. Meyer, Jul 22, 2003
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  3. DaveC

    E. Meyer Guest

    Recirc opens a little door just above the right seat passengers feet and
    recirculates the air from inside the car rather than drawing from outside.
    When you switch to fresh, it closes the little door and opens the passage to
    bring in outside air through the inlets at the base of the windshield. A
    side effect of this is a reduction in fan noise because the fan is very near
    the recirc door. It is possible that the air inlets are clogged with
    debris, but usually it is just the change in fan noise that gives the
    illusion of reduced air flow.
     
    E. Meyer, Jul 22, 2003
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  4. That's normal. The airflow path is shorter in recirculation. An
    interior vent opens up right at the fan inlet. The fresh air path is
    in through the exterior vent, past rain deflectors, into the climate
    control, out around the back seat, and then out through an exterior vent
    under a fender.
     
    Kevin McMurtrie, Jul 22, 2003
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  5. That's normal. The airflow path is shorter in recirculation. An
    interior vent opens up right at the fan inlet. The fresh air path is
    in through the exterior vent, past rain deflectors, into the climate
    control, out around the back seat, and then out through an exterior vent
    under a fender.
     
    Kevin McMurtrie, Jul 22, 2003
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  6. DaveC

    Milleron Guest

    That's right. To prove that the flow drops simply because the
    resistance to inward airflow increases with the setting at "Fresh,"
    simply feel the effluent and then lower a window. The flow should
    then instantly increase to almost exactly equal the flow of
    "Recirculate." If it doesn't, then there is something wrong, but the
    condition as stated by the original poster is perfectly normal.
    Ron

    Ron
     
    Milleron, Jul 22, 2003
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  7. DaveC

    TL Guest

    I don't have a 1990 Accord, so there may be something different about
    it. However, this has not been my experience with other cars. In fact,
    at cruising speeds, I find the flow often increases with outside air.
    As someone pointed out, the fan is quieter which sometimes gives the
    illusion of less airflow. I've never had any experience that would
    suggest that the fan is trying to "suck in the outside air" as another
    poster put it. With current flow through systems, air is drawn into
    the car by the air exiting from the rear vents. At low speeds or
    stopped, of course, the flow decreases and the fan becomes more
    important.

    If you are really interested, try taping a strip of paper or something
    similar onto one of the vents. Make it long enough that it stands out
    fair straight when you have the recirculating on. Then switch to
    outside air and see if its position changes.
     
    TL, Jul 23, 2003
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  8. DaveC

    TL Guest

    I don't have a 1990 Accord, so there may be something different about
    it. However, this has not been my experience with other cars. In fact,
    at cruising speeds, I find the flow often increases with outside air.
    As someone pointed out, the fan is quieter which sometimes gives the
    illusion of less airflow. I've never had any experience that would
    suggest that the fan is trying to "suck in the outside air" as another
    poster put it. With current flow through systems, air is drawn into
    the car by the air exiting from the rear vents. At low speeds or
    stopped, of course, the flow decreases and the fan becomes more
    important.

    If you are really interested, try taping a strip of paper or something
    similar onto one of the vents. Make it long enough that it stands out
    fair straight when you have the recirculating on. Then switch to
    outside air and see if its position changes.
     
    TL, Jul 23, 2003
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  9. DaveC

    noway Guest

    The fan speed drops is because its harder to push air into a sealed
    container, like your car. Open your window a little bit, and it will blow as
    much as the recirculation position. The reason it cools better on
    recirculation is due to the fact that the air is already cooler than the
    outside air, and usually less humid. Also blows more air cause there is no
    resistance to flow.
     
    noway, Jul 24, 2003
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  10. DaveC

    noway Guest

    The fan speed drops is because its harder to push air into a sealed
    container, like your car. Open your window a little bit, and it will blow as
    much as the recirculation position. The reason it cools better on
    recirculation is due to the fact that the air is already cooler than the
    outside air, and usually less humid. Also blows more air cause there is no
    resistance to flow.
     
    noway, Jul 24, 2003
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  11. DaveC

    MikeHunt Guest

    I think what you are perceiving as a slow down in fan speed
    is more likely the difference in the sound you hear, when the
    recirculation door closes and the exterior access door opens,
    muffling the louder sound the fan produces when in recirc
    mode. ;)


    mike hunt
     
    MikeHunt, Jul 24, 2003
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  12. DaveC

    MikeHunt Guest

    I think what you are perceiving as a slow down in fan speed
    is more likely the difference in the sound you hear, when the
    recirculation door closes and the exterior access door opens,
    muffling the louder sound the fan produces when in recirc
    mode. ;)


    mike hunt
     
    MikeHunt, Jul 24, 2003
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  13. DaveC

    DaveC Guest

    I appreciate your contribution to my search for an answer, but please believe
    me. I am not simply "perceiving" differences in sound.

    I can only attribute this to the increased path through the air intake, and
    possibly debris at the climate control air intake.

    Thanks,
     
    DaveC, Jul 24, 2003
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  14. DaveC

    DaveC Guest

    I appreciate your contribution to my search for an answer, but please believe
    me. I am not simply "perceiving" differences in sound.

    I can only attribute this to the increased path through the air intake, and
    possibly debris at the climate control air intake.

    Thanks,
     
    DaveC, Jul 24, 2003
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  15. DaveC

    NetSock Guest

    Wow! Really? Gee Mike...your a genius!
     
    NetSock, Jul 24, 2003
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  16. DaveC

    NetSock Guest

    Wow! Really? Gee Mike...your a genius!
     
    NetSock, Jul 24, 2003
    #16
  17. DaveC

    TL Guest

    The speed of the fan is not related to the recirc setting. It is
    louder for reasons already covered by others. You may find cracking a
    window increases flow and your perception of the speed of the fan.
     
    TL, Jul 24, 2003
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  18. DaveC

    TL Guest

    The speed of the fan is not related to the recirc setting. It is
    louder for reasons already covered by others. You may find cracking a
    window increases flow and your perception of the speed of the fan.
     
    TL, Jul 24, 2003
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  19. DaveC

    TL Guest

    Cars are not sealed containers. They have specific outlets to enable a
    controlled flow of air through the car. They do have a bit of positive
    pressure, presumably to enhance heating and cooling and to lessen
    drafts within the car.
     
    TL, Jul 24, 2003
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  20. DaveC

    TL Guest

    Cars are not sealed containers. They have specific outlets to enable a
    controlled flow of air through the car. They do have a bit of positive
    pressure, presumably to enhance heating and cooling and to lessen
    drafts within the car.
     
    TL, Jul 24, 2003
    #20
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