fuel filter and fuel pump on an 89 integra

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Max, Sep 20, 2003.

  1. Max

    Max Guest

    Hi all,
    My teg was running fine yesterday and it just won't start today.
    Because I didn't hear the fuel pump humming, so I checked the main
    relay. There is nothing wrong with it, so I am thinking it might be
    the fuel pump. Before I jack up the car and check the fuel pump, I
    just want to know if a clogged fuel filter can cause the fuel pump not
    functioning? Like high pressure in the fuel line? BTW, do I have the
    replace the washer on the fuel filter if I want to install a new fuel
    filter? Thanks in advance.
    Max
     
    Max, Sep 20, 2003
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  2. Max

    Graham W Guest

    Check the 'Fuel Cut Off Switch' otherwise known as the inertia
    switch which cuts off the pump if the car hits an obstacle.

    HTH
     
    Graham W, Sep 20, 2003
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  3. Max

    Koji San Guest

    The normal procedure for a no-start is:

    1. Check for fuel
    2. Check for spark.

    The spark is controlled by an array of things and can go wrong at any
    time. Many integras of your age suffer a dead igniter and sometimes
    coil.

    The best location for humming pump is from inside the car. It's
    quitter and very close. You probably know that a pump only runs for
    the first few seconds.

    Checking for fuel is best when a plug is removed.
    Yes. In the mean time tighten it really tight with one hand or about
    8-12lb.
    No. The fuel pump has a relief valve. Please check for fuel, spark,
    and repost, if time permits.
    Koiji
     
    Koji San, Sep 21, 2003
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  4. Max

    Max Guest

    According to the fuel gauge, I still have some gas left in the gas tank.
    Suppose I have an empty gas tank, will it make the fuel pump not working?
    I am pretty sure that the fuel pump is not working, just don't know if it
    simply died or other part of the fuel system causing it not functioning.
    Is there an easy way to find out?
    Thanks.
    Max
     
    Max, Sep 22, 2003
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  5. Max

    Max Guest

    According to the fuel gauge, I still have some gas left in the gas tank.
    Suppose I have an empty gas tank, will it make the fuel pump not working?
    I am pretty sure that the fuel pump is not working, just don't know if it
    simply died or other part of the fuel system causing it not functioning.
    Is there an easy way to find out?
    Thanks.
    Max
     
    Max, Sep 22, 2003
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    John Ings Guest

    Is 12 volts getting back to the pump for a few seconds when the key is
    turned? If so, and the pump isn't running, check it's ground lead
    where it connects to the body metal, which can be a rediculously long
    way away from the pump. If 12 volts isn't showing up, are you sure
    the main relay's fuel pump relay is closing? If it isn't, check its
    ground, which goes through the ECU and and is finally grounded on the
    engine block on most Honda products.

    If you don't own a voltmeter, use a 12V lightbulb and a couple of
    wires,

    If you plan on doing much work on your car to save money, a shop
    manual is a wise investment. Honda manuals have logic diagrams to
    follow when fault finding this sort of trouble..
     
    John Ings, Sep 22, 2003
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  7. Max

    Max Guest

    I do have the manual of my teg. According to the manual, I got myself
    a faulty
    fuel pump. If I remove the fuel pump from the car (so it does not
    connecting to any fuel lines), can I just simply apply 12V DC to the
    fuel pump to see if it's working fine? Thanks.
    Max
     
    Max, Sep 23, 2003
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  8. Max

    John Ings Guest

    You shouldn't have to remove it. Just disconnect the fuel filter input
    up front and place a container under the open end. Jumper a 12 volt
    lead from the battery back to the pump, and also a seperate ground.

    If the pump is running but not much gas is getting through, check the
    little cone-shaped plastic filter at the pump intake. It's there to
    filter out large rust particles from the tank and sometimes gets
    constipated with them. This is especially common on older cars with
    rusty tanks.

    If the pump is moving fuel, the next thing to check is proper fuel
    pressure, which requires a guage be attached to the fuel rail.

    If you do remove the pump, you need to connect a couple of hoses to it
    and supply a source of gas to test it properly. Just because it makes
    noises doesn't mean it's working right.
     
    John Ings, Sep 23, 2003
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  9. Max

    k_teppo Guest

    I don't like to second-guess, but....
    A faulty fuel pump is possible, but not probable in these cars. How
    did you check your main relay? Listening for a click is not always
    sufficient. As it was posted previously, check for voltage at the pump
    and check the ground.
    I will be _very_ surprised if your fuel pump has actually gone
    defective.

    -k
     
    k_teppo, Sep 23, 2003
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  10. Max

    Koji San Guest

    Will [an empty tank] make the fuel pump not working?

    I’ve seen pump seize up when not soaked in fuel. Opened it up
    and found some crystals formed on the propellers causing it not to
    move. Supplying a high current will get it moving indefinitely. Use a
    wire capable of carrying high current (usually a wire with large
    diameter.)

    Did you mention you heard a click 1.5 second after ignition is turned
    on? If you did then the fuel pump or fuse is dead. Supplying 1.5
    second of DC to a dry pump should be fine in my experience. Just
    don’t run water thru it. It could seize. Hint: This pump is
    almost identical to some of the Kia’s 10-year warranty pump.
    Koiji
     
    Koji San, Sep 26, 2003
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