GM admits it flucked up big time

I wouldn't drive a Civic if you paid me. FWIW, I used to drive a 27'
truck. So yes, I can "handle a truck". But, the fact is that trucks
and SUVs manufactured by anyone handle like shit. SUV's rollover.
Trucks can't avoid a barn with 200 feet of notice.

You still don't get it and I am tired of trying to explain it to you.

Wrong again. I have trouble with all the bailouts. If you were paying
attention, you would have noticed that. I also don't have a "Jap" car,
but they will last and they will be around for a very long time.

Do some reading. Trying learning when you do. It might be beyond your
abilities.

Liars? Or just smarter than GM. You pick, let me know how it sells.

I'd suggest that you don't have the skills or character necessary to
run your own business. But, then again, I've seen some real a-holes
making money in business so who knows, there may even be a place for
you.

Yep, at least until March, when they will need another loan because
they are losing money. Does "employee pricing" strike any notes in
that empty head of yours?

 

Seeing how you can't admit to facts, even when they are proven, I am pretty
much done with you. Enjoy your convenience store, and whatever Jap car you
own. And please feel free to leave the GM newsgroup.

 

You are absolutely right, Mike. But, you have to admit, sometimes it is
amusing to read how much BS appears in just one of there posts. Anyhow,
hope you had a good New Year, and my best to you and yours for 2009!!

 

Moron. GM admits they fucked up. But go ahead, keep on defending them
against stupidity they already admit to. See you in March when they
need another fat loan to keep their dying, worthless product line in
business.

 

You've got it right Mike. He still can't grasp the simple facts of the
situation. GM screws up for many years, admits they screwed up for
many years, and he says "they're lying". What a moron.

 

This is the kind of thing that alienates you and those of like thought.
Look around you. You will see more long-lived GM vehicles on the road -
still performing today, than you will any competing Japanese brand. I make
no attempt to defend the arrogance of Detroit management, but you can't
disprove reality simply by claiming something different.

 

GM admitting anything is like the defendent admitting that they made a
foolish move and they are oh-so sorry for it. It's just words, attempting
to appease the decision makers they stand before.

In a sense they did not screw up. They built and sold what was in high
demand and was making high profit for them. In another sense they did
screw up because it was very short sighted for any car manufacturer to not
prepare for the impact of rising oil prices. GM actually had the fleet to
face that onslaught very well, but they could not capitalize on it for a
bigger reason - they lost the consumer confidence after too many years of
treating their customers like they were mindless and would simply keep
coming back, regardless of the treatment they received.

GM's cars were on the overall, quite good. Where they had problem areas
that could have been fixed, they decided to ignore the consumer and
continue foisting those problems on the consumer. Bad decision.
Manufacturers like Hyundai were coming up and gaining respectability, and
demonstrating that quality could be had for reasonable prices. GM let
their management arrogance blindside them in classic good-old-boys manner.
Not because the cars were junk or were not what people wanted, but because
people finally got tired of some of the same old problems and the lack of
concern by GM decision makers.

In my opinion, the biggest problem today with GM is that the people who put
GM where they are today are the same people who got handed the money, and
nothing will change going forward. Any changes shown to the public will be
cosmetic changes only and the manner of doing business will remain the
same. Whacking heads either on the factory floor, or in the executive
suite will not solve the problem if the underlying business philosophy of
the company does not change. As long as Wagoner is there, GM will never
regain its rightful position in the eyes of the consumer.

 

You're answering the wrong question. The point in this post was that
Japanese are here to stay, as are their cars. GM, OTOH, won't survive
in it's current form and won't survive without a massive infusion of
OUR money to subsidize their bloated, wasteful, arrogant, pig-headed,
dated, company.

As for the vehicles, there are just as many older Japanese shitboxes
on the road as their GM counterparts when you consider the proportion
of sales over the years and the geographic distribution.

 

I agree to the extent that they are only saying that they get it
because they think they are supposed to get it. Internally, they are
still a bunch of arrogant dickheads who I doubt will never change
their ways (short of bankruptcy).

Agreed on the "in another sense they did". They screwed up big time.
In business, you can't put all your eggs in one product basket because
eventually that basket will lose public appeal. You have to diversify.
They grabbed short term profit at the expense of ANY long term
planning. Any first year business student could see the problem with
their sales mix and predict their future.

Hyundai is the vice-versa to the way GM was/is run.

The fact is that much of it was junk and not what people wanted. Sure,
they had some good vehicles. But think of it from the other direction:
if GM was the foreign manufacturer and arrived here trying to sell
their cars. The only reason they've survived as long as they did is
their long history in this country and Americans buying their cars
through tradition. That's worn thin now.

Correct: If they keep Wagoner, or a successor picked by the same BOD,
they will be in the same position in March when they need another
taxpayer bailout, and again in six more months, and again after that.
They will never change.

 

The company culture is arrogance and they know they get taxpayers
money because the idiot president you have owns a lot of stock.

 

Our friend Goosi talks stupid once again LOL

The company culture is arrogance and they know they get taxpayers
money because the idiot president you have owns a lot of stock.

 

What part of. 'READ your warranty policy manual,' did you not understand,
dummy? If you did you would ALSO discover the GM warranty passes on the
subsequent owners as well, dummy, up to the time, miles, WOF limit. LOL

 

Try that! If you do you will discover Toyota, or every other manufacturer
will refer you back to your SELLING dealer for settlement of you warranty
problem(s).

You really should do more research before continuing to comment on a subject
of which you obviously have little or no knowledge. If you do, perhaps you
will not appear so foolish so often

 

Bullshit.

Number one, ANY authorized Honda or Toyota dealer can handle warranty
claims. No need to go back to the SELLING dealer at all. Is that how
General Meathead handled their customers? Yeah, fucked up. Honda and
Toyota customers aren't stuck with their idiot selling dealerships.

And how does General Meathead handle issues of people moving away or
traveling and needing warranty service?

You're full of shit.



Second, feel free to call American Honda Motor Manufacturing's zone
office to get results--that is, IF your Honda dealer refuses to get them
involved for you. I'll never forget that day years ago when I went in
to pick up my car--and the dipwad Honda dealer's service manager looked
at me and said, "Went over our heads, didn't you?" Yep. Lady, you
fucked this up big time, and Honda corporate took care of it in ten
minutes. Over the phone. On a Friday afternoon at 4:15pm.

I know for a FACT that General Meathead's zone offices aren't open for
business, let alone functioning, at 4:15pm on a Friday. Hell, they
barely function at all. And their MAIN function is to keep real
customers the hell out of their lives.

 

Bingo. Same for Chrysler. Never again.

 

You really lack any clue. Maybe that worthless company you buy cars
from tries to pull that crap - no other manufacturer does. Dealers
don't want warranty work but they don't refuse it. It's in their
franchise contract.

Go look in the mirror.

 

Not necessarily. A car may be brought to any dealer for service.

You should know about appearing foolish. Just ask the commerce
department about VINs or about the role of Vice President in the
legislature.

Jeff

 

Isn't the Chevy Malibu just a Belt Assist Starter? If I recall correctly,
it is the same almost after-market outside design used on the Saturn Vue,
improving a mere 1mpg.

 

What does that have to do with a complaint to the manufacture? The point
of the thread was that the manufacturers warrant the vehicles to their
dealerships. Try to keep up, WBMA

Not necessarily. A car may be brought to any dealer for service.

 

No they don't. The warranty is to the consumer who purchases the car.
That's Federal Law.

Please provide ANY support AT ALL for your odd statements.