GM admits it flucked up big time

Just one problem: It's a Volkswagen.

 

Nor does the Impala actually get over 20 MPG in real world driving.
The only time I've ever gotten decent mileage is on a long highway
trip with little to no other traffic - any minor speed fluctuations
drive the gas mileage into the crapper. If you can kick it up to 70,
set the cruise control, and leave it there for an hour or two it will
actually get decent mileage. that's not exactly a real world
condition though.

nate

 

I remember that, but a lot of people have likely forgotten by now.

What's interesting about the new VW is that it's the first diesel car in
a long time that can be sold in California. I'm not sure of the whole
reason why diesels were not sold in California for a while, especially
since it was legal to buy them in other states and bring them in (and
some dealers made money selling "used" diesel VWs that were really new,
but purchased in Oregon and driven down).

 

Only a queer like you would even be thinking about the size of my penis.

 

Nor does the Impala actually get over 20 MPG in real world driving.
The only time I've ever gotten decent mileage is on a long highway
trip with little to no other traffic - any minor speed fluctuations
drive the gas mileage into the crapper. If you can kick it up to 70,
set the cruise control, and leave it there for an hour or two it will
actually get decent mileage. that's not exactly a real world
condition though.
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I don't think anyone in my family has one of the new Impala's with either
the 3.5L of 5.3L, but they all claim to get very good MPG out of the 3400
(usually 30+) and the 3800 in the 2000+2005(?) editions.

 

Then those "marginally competent drivers" need to take the bus.

What about the marginally competent drivers piloting transport trucks? Are
we going to take them off the roads too?

Who is to say who is a good driver, and who isn't? You don't know me, you
don't know how I drive. If I am a good driver, why shouldn't I be able to
get a Yukon that get's good MPG?

See above.

 

Not me. You revealed the information.

 

That will never happen. If we tested drivers correctly, there would be an
uproar about it. We're stuck with the assortment of drivers we have now.

See above. Can't do anything about it. Actually, that's wrong. The cops
could be ordered to stop ticketing people for bullshit like 71 in a 65 zone,
and focus on things which require using their brains instead of machines.
But, that's just a dream.

No, but if I followed you around for 10 minutes, I could stick a label on
you easily, and it would be 100% accurate.

You *should* be able to drive one if you want to and you're a safe driver.
At this point, it's a moot question, though.

 

Grow the hell up. Some people actually take pride in what they drive. They
are proud of the way it looks. Obviously this does not apply to Toyota
owners, as they make the most boring vehicles in the world. I almost fall
asleep everytime I see one. Someday, if you are really good, you might own
a vehicle that you are proud to show to your family and friends.

 

Valid response, but it does nothing to address the jealousy issue. If I hit
the lottery tomorrow, I still wouldn't be driving around in a gigantic
vehicle unless it somehow addressed a mechanical need (towing, off-road,
lots of passengers).

Pride? In what? You had no hand in building the car you drive unless you
work for the manufacturer. Pride in the wax job?

 

I'm going to have to assume you are joking, as according to Toyota's
website, even the '09 Avalon XLS has a much worse warranty then say, the '09
Buick Lucerne. The Avalon has the standard 36-month, 36,000 miles, while
the Lucerne has 48-months and 50,000 miles. Even GM's powertrain warranty
beat's Toyota's, with GM's at 100,000, and Toyota's at 60,000. Hell, the
Chrysler 300 does even better, with the unlimited mileage powertrain
warranty.

 

The GM & Chrysler cars **NEED** a longer warranty or nobody would feel safe
buying them.

 

I was not the one who made the jealousy comment, however, it does happen.
Some people think of a car as nothing more then a tool to get from home to
work. Others enjoy, and take pride in maintaing, upgrading, modifying, and
whatever else you can think of, there cars.

That is fair. You say it doesn't address your mechanical need. What about
your desires? If you don't mind driving around all your life in a Camry, or
Civic, that is fine with me. I, on the other hand, prefer a nicer
automobile.

Actually, most of my extended family does work for GM, so there is
definitely pride there. As for the wax job, sure. Why do you think there
are so many wax's, cleaning products, detailing products, modification
products, etc. on the market? Those are for people who take pride in there
vehicle, and there's nothing wrong with that. You seem to be saying that
the only people who should own something like a Yukon, are people who need
to carry 7 passengers, and tow a boat at the same time. I disagree. I
happen to very much like the Yukon's, and though my family is large, it
would not be necessary in that respect, nor do I haul a boat, but I like the
vehicle.

 

I guess that depends on what you mean by "testing drivers correctly".

Depends on where you live. I have seen cars on our local highway's going 20
KPH over the limit, right by Police cars. Sometimes they pull you over,
sometimes they don't. Now, you go 5 over, and swerve in and out of traffic,
and they'll nail you to the wall.

So, are you saying that because there are so many bad drivers, and we can't
say who is good and who is bad, we should ban all large vehicles, just so
there isn't a chance of them getting behind the wheel of one? That just
isn't going to work, ever. It still falls back to your moot question: Who
is a good driver, and who is a bad driver?

 

Incorrect. GM believes in it's products enough to offer that warranty.
Obviously Toyota does not...

 

Desires? Not sure. If I hit the lottery tomorrow, I think I'd own a BMW 7
Series for fair weather driving (they're absurd in snow), and stick with my
Tacoma 6 cyl for winter or towing my very small boat. The BMW is a
remarkable car to drive, especially for the 5% of us who know how to drive.
And unlike SUVs, it doesn't cause other vehicles to get lousy gas mileage.

I'll leave you to ponder that last comment for a while. Hint: Right turn on
red.

 

I never said any particular vehicle should be banned. Where do you *imagine*
I said that?

 

I am not joking at all. 7 years, 70,000 miles, bumper to bumper

 

I have a 7 year/100,000 mile warranty on my '05 Scion tC. Had to have a
battery replaced. No charge (er, no pun intended...). Thank you!

I only got a three year/36,000 warranty with my '85 and '87 Corollas. The
'85 is still in my back yard...I don't think I ever used the warranty.
YES! The radio had to be replaced.

My '74 Corolla 1200 came with a 12/12 warranty. It blew the rear axle at
15,000 miles. Toyota fixed it gratis.

 

LOL! BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nobody would buy their crappy cars without a bumper to bumper warranty!
Why do you think they offer it?

And they only offer it on their better cars. What kind of warranty did the
Cavalier have?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!