GM admits it flucked up big time

He may have bought it used? My Scion was 1 year old and had 10,000 miles
on it:

Toyota Certified Used Vehicles come with an extensive used-car warranty
— one of the best in the industry.

Each Toyota Certified Used Vehicle comes with a 3-month/3,000-mile
comprehensive used car warranty from date of certified purchase [1]. This
warranty covers any repair or replacement of components which fail under
normal use due to a defect in materials or workmanship.

Each Toyota Certified Used Vehicle is also backed by a 7-year/100,000-mile
Limited Powertrain Warranty (from original date of first use when
purchased as new) [2]. We also add a 7-year/100,000 mile 24-hour Roadside
Assistance Plan (from original date of first use when purchased as new)



So, basically, I got a 6 year/90,000 mile warranty. For nothing.

But, since it's a Toyota, it doesn't go into the shop very often.
Nowhere near as much time as a GM product spends. Shoot, i get to drive
it, rather than wait for it to be repaired.

 

Part of the reason gas went so high was people driving more vehicle than
they really need. Some people need one, some people blindly follow trends.

How many people living in urban areas do you think 'lock in the hubs'?

 

Ugh. What a horrible thought.

This I like!

 

Yeah. But they paid for it in the end. In spades.
Not that I don't think the US should have dropped the bomb. It put an end
to what could have been the slaughter of millions more.

They paid their debt. Time to move on.

Now, if you want to get into a discussion about *CHINA* I would gladly
oblige!

 

LOL! Since when?! Since American Servicemen rape 12 year olds? Since Nancy
Pelosi tells the Japanese they have to apologize to Korea?

Yeah, the Japanese take deference when we do something *STOOPID* !

 

Yup.

I was delievering newspapers at night last year, and the BBC was my
constant companion. Before the Olympics they sent a team to China and one
of the reports was about China's 'Gold Mine', the province that does most
of the high tech manufacturing.

They reported that China had a $1.3T budget surplus, and the biggest
spedning of that surplus was for 'Defense'.

They also has a laundry list of what China wants to accomplish in the year
2020.

I'd be afraid...

And an aside by me: China makes about 3/4 of the world's computers. One or
two lines of code in the BIOS could bring every computer to it's knees at
any time, say, Jan 1, 2020...

 

Looks like you've made another friend, Joe.

 

You should read a couple books about Pearl Harbor.

One Admiral or General even predicted the attack would happen Nov 30,
1941, one week before the attack.

The CIA was created as a result of Pearl Harbor. The Army had certain
information, and the Navy had other information, and the Department of War
had still other information. The lack of a 'clearing house' for all the
intelligence gathered prior to the attack meant that it went ignored. The
CIA was designed to share the information from ALL sources so there
wouldn't be a repeat of Dec 7.

Unfortunately, it has become something other than it's design

But that was all 70 years ago, and 16 years before I was born.
Was it a terrible day for the US? You betcha. Does it have a great deal of
bearing on today? No, not really. Even my Mom who was 19 at the time got
fed up with American cars that were always falling apart on her and bought
a 1986 Camry, and has never looked back.

 

Hmmm...seems I've heard this before...

 

Yes, I spent a few weeks in Firenze, Pieve Ligure and touring the South back
in '90.

I remember the rules were - trash on the sidewalks, pedestrians and Vespa
scooters on teh sides of the streets, cars in the middle or dodging around
pedestrians.

Green means go*, red means "honk as you go through", yellow means "go really
fast."

*Green can also mean, "Yield" in the event someone is honking and going
through the opposite red.

 

You will continue to hear it any time I spot someone who has somehow managed
to read nothing about 9/11 since it happened. That's pathetic.

 

Get to the library, fool. You can start with a book called "Sleeping With
The Devil", by Robert Baer. I'd give you more titles, but you won't do
anything with them. YOU DO NOT READ.

 

None of these geniuses has bitten on this bait yet:

SUVs cause other vehicles to get lower gas mileage.

 

Not everybody likes driving a tomato can. Not everybody drives places
you drive. Larger vehicles are much safer than little tiny cars. Don't
try to control other people to suit your idea of how it should be. As
for "waste of money", it's not your money so why should you worry about
it, or tell others what to drive. Get a life.

 

Not really. A month ago on the news, a NY State Trooper was interviewed at
the scene of a horrific accident in which a Ford Explorer rolled several
times. The trooper said that in his experience (which exceeds yours or
mine), "these vehicles tend to roll more easily and more times than normal
passenger cars."

 

SUVs are known for their propensity for roll-overs.

Don't

Aren't you the sweetie?

Cathy

 

Tell that to your clone, Joe. He's quick with the insults, but dead in the
water when it comes to verifiable facts.

 

Hey!!.....I'm the one that outed you as a queer!!!
Glad I could help

 

Even my dad, who was 13 at the time and did R&R in Japan in the 1950's and
remembers "Cheap Jap Crap" bought a used Carina in 1974 and never looked
back.

But some people think EVERY American ought to want a big American Land-Yacht
like the 1974 LTD I drove in Driver's Ed. (The Driver's Ed teacher thought
so, too. He was another stupid LIEberal that taught Yellow Journalism with
Driver's Ed on the side.) And I've run into people that think it's
Un-American to not want to own and drive an American Land-Yacht (in those
days, the BIG cars, in these days, the Gas-Vamipres)

There are people that actually NEED those big vehicles. Ray O, for instance
had one and actually uses it, a lot. But not everybody needs one. And not
everybody wants one. If the Smart car were a better buy, I might be
interested, but I get mileage nearly as good in my 95 (paid for, thank you)
Corolla that seats 4. The really tiny, expensive cars only get marginally
better mileage. And everybody's acting like 30 mpg is a recent and amazing
mileage. . . .

The problem with the American car industry is since at least the late 20's
early 30's it has been geared to get everybody to buy the big car in the
end. MG came along in the 1940's and proved them wrong. The VW came along
in the 1950's and 1960's and proved them wrong again. The Japs came along
and proved them wrong in the 70's and the 80's and the 90's and the 00's.
I'm sure the big guys in the boardrooms said that the desire for smaller
cars was just some sort of abberation, like Mike Hunt does.

Mike likes Fords so much, he ought to take a time trip back to about 1925.
Ford sold Model T's and Lincolns back then. Over half the cars produced by
the entire auto industry in 1923 were Model T Fords. He ought to go visit
New Jerk or Californication and see how small the T was in comparison to
some of the cars of the day. Henry Ford was smart enough to know he wasn't
going to sell 2 million Lincolns in one year. Mike apparently isn't.

GM, OTOH has been trying the 'move up' scheme since at least the late
1920's. By 1955, even the Chevy, the smallest car in the GM line, was
getting pretty big. By 1959, all of GM's big cars had become land yachts,
and by 1960, the big Fords were land yachts, too. The VW stepped into this
vacuum. The Detroit guys responded by building small, cheap cars that would
only point the buyers to want the bigger cars eventually, thinking that was
the point. VW just kept selling Beetles, eventually eclipsing the mark of
the old Model T. (Get the point, Ford? Nope.) The Japs came along and
decided that there was plenty of competition at the land-yacht end of the
spectrum but decided they could compete at the other end, as they could see
that VW was pricing itself out of range in America in the early 70's. And
as the Big 3 sales kept haemorraging, they still didn't get it. Didn't even
try to get it. The fit and finish may be a little better at the top end of
the line, but at the bottom end, they're still not really competing with the
Japs. (Although after 30 years, even the Japs have gotten hooked on the
'bigger is better' philosophy. Toyota has a solid entry in the Buick driver
market called the Camry. And if I see a Toyota driver driving badly out
here in the burbs, 90 percent of the time it's an old geezer driving a
Camry.
(PS, what's the average age of a Buick driver? Dead.))

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

 

Don't you mean Iran?