GM admits it flucked up big time

What non-nutcase government prohibits women from driving or even
entering its country as anything but an honorary sister or even
honorary brother of a man?

Not by that example.

Pragmatism requires a wait until Saudi Arabia runs out of oil.

 

Have the government of Mexico or the people of Mexico funded anti-
American terrorists, as Saudi Arabia and some of its wealthy citizens
have?

 

It gains that authority by the will of the governed. Sane people
recognize that it is necessary to regulate what vehicles are allowed
on public roads and who can operate them and how they may be operated.
This prevents chaos. Sane people have managed to maintain some
modicum of control over the government in spite of the last 28 years
of ideology-driven deregulatory insanity.

Tell us, Mike, would you like food and drug companies to be able to
sell anything they like?

 

Uh oh. A sane question.

 

When the price of gas goes up, and they do the "Man in the Street"
interview, they invariably choose someone with an Excursion crying about
the price of gas.

Stop crying! You chose the vehicle, and you know the fuel business is
prone to violent swings. Subaru makes very nice, very capable Station
Wagons.

Then again, most people can't think past the end of the hood.

 

LOL! I've had cars getting thirty miles or better for over 25 years!
(Actually, for the cars I had, I knew if I hit below 31 MPG, something was
WRONG!)

Oh, yeah! I drive Toyotas! Do I get some kind of special compensation fro
driving fuel-efficient cars for 37 years? Like, the next time the price of
gas hits $3.75, I get to pay $1.99?

 

Our Carina only dropped down below 30 mpg after Dad had driven it so hard on
20-20W oil. Most of our Corollas only dropped below 30 mpg when they were
driven only in town. I've been driving a Toyota off and on since 1974. I
had an S-10 (20 mpg) from 1995 to 1998.

Gas has bottomed out at 1.45 here, then jumped 20 cents the next day for
some reason. Some dog must have pissed on the pipeline at the Stanolind
refinery in Indiana again.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

 

That being the case,(if it is), how do you explain the fact that the only
whiners in this NG are small car owners?

 

Identify the whiners and tell us what they drive. You obviously have that
information.

 

Who's whining?

 

I would say the people driving the American cars in theis thread are doing
the whining.

Those of us driving Japanese cars are gloating...

 

*Which* ng? This is x-posted to 4 of them!

Cathy

 

More typical bullshit from yet another GM basher.


Guys, PLEASE throw away the script and come up with something new.
This "Japan has a reputation for quality cars" crap got old about 15
years ago.


It really did.


By the early 90's, GM built cars that were as good as,or better than,
their rival Japanese auto manufacturers.


Gas mileage had caught up, at that point, also.


But alas, Consumer Reports, and the media, kept hammering away at the
general public, that the domestic autos were inferior to the almighty
Japanese.


Fast forward, to the year 2008.

Domestic autos, are proven to be at least, and in most cases superior
to the Japanese autos, and get better gas mileage.


But, thanks two two decades of hammering away at the domestics, the
Japansese still enjoy the "reputation" of having better quality and
better fuel economy than American nameplates.



Both are totally false.


GM sells more vechicles that gets 30 mpg or better than anyone,
(dispelling the "gas guzzler" myth), and has far fewer recalls than
the Japanese (dispelling the"quality" myth). Of course, Consumer
Reports "reports" this every month!

Biggest lie of them all. Tell it often enough and people will believe
it.


They just arent yet.


Trucks in particular, and large vechiles, in general, continue to sell
well. That is what people want.


Toyota, and Honda both realize this, and continue to make more trucks
and/or LARGER vechicles in general.


Do you think the Camry is a small car???

Has the Honda Accord been downsized in the past 20 years???


Of course not.


When they started making it LARGER, it became a very good seller.


Is the Toyota Tundra a trend toward smaller vechicles?????


No, but Toyota knows full well where the "trends" are and wants to be
able to capitalize on them.

 

"Nobody ever went broke
overestimating the stupidity of the American people,
managers, bureaucrats, technocrats, etc."

 

Facts don't matter, perception does. There are fans of each of the big
three that goes back generations. If your father and grandfather had GM
cars and drank Budweiser, very good chance you do too. If your father
bought a Honda because it was 1980 and it was considered a "better" car,
chances are you do too.

Case in point: Yesterday I was out with my wife and it was about lunch
time. Looking for a place to eat, there was a nice little cafe, but we
passed it by. Why? Because 15 years ago we went there and had a sandwich
with a slice of orange that was moldy. The place has changed owners and I'm
sure they turned over the inventory and cleaned the fridge, but many years
later I, still don't go there.

Call it silly, but there are millions of people just like me. I've been
eating the same brands of peanut butter and ice cream for 60+ years too. It
is going to take a very long time for the Detroit crowd to swing the
pendulum back. They need some slick marketing to get people to put ther
thousands of dollars in their trust. Look at the success of the "It's not
your father's Oldsmobile" ad campaign. Worked well.

 

There is a reason for those who become big and have gained trust.
There are constant connections with the customer.
Make sure you always keep constant quality.
If something goes wrong correct it immediately.
A happy customer comes back and brings his friends.
An unhappy customer bad mouths you to everyone and makes sure to
spread the word.

 

I see we still don't have a response from him.

 

I'll add this: Using length of warranty coverage as a measure of quality is
a bit silly. So what if my car breaks in unusual and stupid ways 15 times in
two years, but it's covered by the warranty? The warranty doesn't address
other problems caused by a broken car. I'd rather have a car without those
problems.

 

You are confusing an entirely nutcase social agenda (from OUR perspective,
not THEIRS) with a few nutcase ragheads that see blowing up innocents as a
reasonable course of action.

 

Them too.