Help! clutch will not slip!

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Jeremy, Feb 26, 2004.

  1. Jeremy

    Jeremy Guest

    I have my engine and tranny out of the car. I have a `88 crx si
    flywheel, clutch, pressureplate, throwout bearing, and tranny. The
    clutch is brand new and the flywheel I had grinded down. I put
    everything together and decided to test it out before putting it in
    the car. I put a couple axels in the tranny and had someone hold them
    in place, when I pull up on the clutch lever (its mechanical type) and
    turn the crank with a wrench the axels move and cannot keep them
    still. The clutch won't slip. I took everything apart, and double
    checked but everything seems ok. I am sure I have the right clutch.
    What am I doing wrong???? The lever has minimal resistance right until
    it gets 1/2" from its stopping point.
     
    Jeremy, Feb 26, 2004
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  2. Jeremy

    R Thompson Guest

    It's possible the flywheel is too thin, that would cause an increase in
    travel. Also, an incorrect pressure plate or throw out bearing can cause a
    problem.
     
    R Thompson, Feb 26, 2004
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  3. Jeremy

    Jeremy Guest

    The pressure plate, clutch and throwout bearing came as a kit, and are
    ment to fit the `88 flywheel
     
    Jeremy, Feb 27, 2004
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  4. Jeremy

    R Thompson Guest

    Still sounds as if you're not getting enough travel. Did you compare the
    new and old clutch parts? Is the throw out lever moving the entire length
    of the shaft? Is the clutch disc installed correctly, most cannot be
    reversed, but it happens. Did you hook up the clutch cable and try it with
    the pedal?
     
    R Thompson, Feb 27, 2004
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  5. Jeremy

    Jafir Elkurd Guest

    Honda fly wheels are stepped, and must be cut by someone that knows how to
    cut them.
     
    Jafir Elkurd, Feb 27, 2004
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  6. Jeremy

    Jeremy Guest

    Yes it is stepped, I had NAPA resurface it...I hope they would have
    done it right hehe. The lever travels completely over, so the piolet
    bearing might not be coming out far enough??? Can I correct that any
    way...at what point in pulling up on the lever should I feel
    resistance ie 1/2 way. right now I get a little tension almost all the
    way up.
     
    Jeremy, Feb 28, 2004
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  7. Jeremy

    Jafir Elkurd Guest

    The cable is usually adjusted so that there is about a quarter inch of free
    play in the lever at the transmission.
     
    Jafir Elkurd, Feb 28, 2004
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  8. Jeremy

    Jeremy Guest

    a 1/4" from the levers resting point or a 1/4" from its maximum height?
     
    Jeremy, Feb 28, 2004
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  9. Jeremy

    blh Guest

    Hope you have already figured this out, but if not:
    Most of the pertinent scenarios that make a clutch not completely
    release (if it was working before) are as follows - From the crank
    out:

    Some Hondas have an alignment pin in the crank flange that sticks up
    about 1/8 - if not aligned and seated it will throw off the
    operational dimensional characteristics of the clutch system.

    If the proper lo-profile head bolts are mixed up with stock head
    height, they will catch on the springs plates of the clutch disk.

    If the clutch disk is in backward, same thing with catching on the
    lo-profile bolt heads.
    *both of these issues are more critical as the clutch disk moves
    slightly closer the crank when the flywheel is resurfaced. I doubt
    NAPA would cut it beyond acceptable tolerances but this is also
    possible.

    If you get the clutch fork situated on top of the throwout bearing
    Return Spring, the feel will act 'funny' and may cause your issue.
    Make sure the fork is on the flange and not the spring tines. (this
    happened to me once.. somehow...) This also gives you a huge cable
    adjustment factor over the old clutch cable position.
    *Note that the clutch fork only moves the throwout bearing approx
    ..06-.12 inches (1/16 - 1/8) over the entire pedal throw. Needless to
    say this amount of leverage pretty much prevents you from actuating
    the clutch fork by hand at the transmission clutch cable interface.

    Bad pressure plate. Improperly matched parts, defect in
    manufacturing, etc. Just make sure the Clutch disk will have free
    play when the pressure plate is mounted to the flywheel. A mismatched
    pressure plate can clamp the edges of the clutch disk when installed -
    this is not always evident until you look at the setup and imagine the
    position of the Disk and look for clearances in the pressure plate
    housing. (chalk one of these up on my board in hell).

    Wrong pressure plate/clutch/bearing kit. The fingers of the pressure
    plate don't have the proper operational dimensional characteristics
    for the clutch system to operate. (pretty rare, especially if you
    matched up the parts visually). This also assumes you inspected all
    the parts for operation as much as possible. (throw out bearing
    actually spins, etc.)

    Cable, fork lever, pedal issues. Something was bent, broken during
    removal. On other transmissions I have been into the fork lever was
    worn so much that it had to be replace along with fork. However, this
    would not 'just show up' now.

    Last and probably the most important: I have NEVER been able to
    rotate (by hand) a clutch disk in a rebuilt set up when I resurface
    the flywheel. The hone on the Flywheel, combined with the hone on the
    pressure plate make it pretty sticky. This goes away immediately once
    you fire the car up and cause the clutch to 'seat' on these surfaces.
    I have commonly adjusted the clutch and found that as soon as it
    starts to seat, I have adjusted it too far. I always keep the wheels
    in the air during this process. Typically the wheels turn with the
    clutch depressed until I hit the brakes to hold the wheels.
    Exercising the clutch several times will give you a better feel for
    adjusting the cable. Adjust the clutch until the pedal has the proper
    free play at the top of the travel per your manual.

    Good luck.
     
    blh, Mar 3, 2004
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