Honda Accord Hybrid

Discussion in 'Accord' started by Alan Browne, May 22, 2006.

  1. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    I tried the Honda Accord V-6 Hybrid the other night.

    Very strong acceleration, well beyond needs.

    What was cool:

    -stop at a light, engine shut off; let go of brake, engine starts
    smoothly and immediately.

    -cruise at 120 km/h, three cylinders shut off (little light on dash
    "ECO" turns on).

    -let off gas during cruise and you could feel the electic motor "drag"
    as it generated electricity for the battery.

    -apply brakes, and even more energy was diverted to the motor/generator.

    (There's a little meter bar that shows when the battery is discharging
    or recharging)

    What was not cool:

    - automatic transmission
    - ... and not so well programmed at that
    - 3 litre engine
    - no fold down rear seats (the battery is there)
    - 253 total HP.... what's economical about that?
    - does not qualify for the Quebec hybrid rebate (misses the mileage goal)
    -stopped the car in "D", engine stops. Shifted to "P" and the engine
    started up again. Should have remained off, IMO. I guess it's the way
    this is mechanized that allowed the engine to restart.
    - price ($39,400 in Canada, $31,000 in the US).
    The CAD $ is running 89 - 90 cents these days...
    I could probably talk them down a couple K on the car; and up a
    couple K on the trade in, but it's still not worth it to me.

    I take it that they put in a 6 banger in order to get 3 cylinder cruise
    on the highway, and that this might not have worked well with a 4
    banger. Why not a 5 banger? Why not a smaller displacement 6 banger? I
    simply can't believe that a Honda Accord really needs 200 HP, never minf
    253 with the assist.

    Any Canadians here who can explain the price differential (US / CAD)
    that is way beyond the exchange rate?

    Cheers,
    Alan FreeLunch.
     
    Alan Browne, May 22, 2006
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  2. Alan Browne

    Brian Smith Guest

    I can't explain the vast difference in the prices. But I can tell you that I
    like the 200 hp under the hood of my '01 Accord.
     
    Brian Smith, May 22, 2006
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  3. Alan Browne

    John Horner Guest

    IMO the Accord Hybrid is a dumb marketing/engineering move. The
    standard V-6 Accord already has more power than any reasonable North
    American driver needs. Why add a hybrid boost on top of that?

    An ~2.0l four cylinder hybrid Accord would make much more sense for fuel
    economy.

    John
     
    John Horner, May 23, 2006
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  4. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    I agree completely and I've posted on the subject (and the "cons"
    reflect that.

    I don't see hybrid "boost" as a performance item but as reuse of
    deceleration. Period.

    Part of the problem, I suspect, is how well would the 2 litre engine
    behave with two cylinders shut down?

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, May 25, 2006
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  5. The way Honda is doing it on their production models that is mostly true.
    Their concept car, the Dualnote, is a different story:
    http://world.honda.com/Tokyo2001/auto/DUALNOTE/powerunit/index.html
    According to the September 2002 article in Popular Mechanics, Honda
    engineers say the electrics effectively double the off-the-line acceleration
    to roughly what is expected from a 600 HP conventional power train.

    As the electric technology improves we will see performance increasingly
    being a reason for hybridization. But the Accord "hybrid?" Hardly worth the
    effort, IMHO.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, May 25, 2006
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  6. Alan Browne

    John Horner Guest

    With a small 4 cylinder motor you don't need cylinder deactivation.
    Cylinder deactivation only seems to provide a minimal fuel economy boost
    and is mostly be used on V-8s and V-12s (MBZ).

    John
     
    John Horner, May 25, 2006
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  7. Alan Browne

    CC Guest

    I posted this elsewhere and it is appopriate here. I like the Accord
    Hybrid Navi and had a Civic Hybrid before. If you were raised in the
    muscle car era, the Accord Hybrid ROCKS!

    I have already said:
    CC
     
    CC, May 26, 2006
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