Honda "Drive by Wire" question... what if the power goes out?

They are insignificant compared to the lives saved by airbags.

 

No problem. But do us a favor and get yourself killed *before* you breed.

 

No problem. But do us a favor and get yourself killed *before* you breed.

 

That's why modern airbag controllers have the controversial "black box" that
records vehicle speed, braking, acceleration forces, etc. in the period
before deployment. There have indeed been a number of unwarranted
deployments, but few go undetected today.

I, too, have an uneasy relationship with those bombs. But I recognize there
is nothing I can do to change the situation unless I want to stay with
progressively aging cars.

Mike

 

That's why modern airbag controllers have the controversial "black box" that
records vehicle speed, braking, acceleration forces, etc. in the period
before deployment. There have indeed been a number of unwarranted
deployments, but few go undetected today.

I, too, have an uneasy relationship with those bombs. But I recognize there
is nothing I can do to change the situation unless I want to stay with
progressively aging cars.

Mike

 

Try searching NHTSA stats, instead of a lame search engine.

Suit yourself, the fact remains that I will not ever allow airbags in
any vehicle I own.

Airbags do not burst, they deflate as the gasses both cool and escape
through the bag material.

No, it's quite true. In a minor accident you would be able to tell the
difference, but with a vehicle going head on into a concrete bridge
support at 65 mph a couple seconds after the aigbag blew up in the
drivers face, you would not be able to tell without extensive
investigation.

Will not be allowed in any vehicle I own under any circumstances - ever.

Pete C.

 

Try searching NHTSA stats, instead of a lame search engine.

Suit yourself, the fact remains that I will not ever allow airbags in
any vehicle I own.

Airbags do not burst, they deflate as the gasses both cool and escape
through the bag material.

No, it's quite true. In a minor accident you would be able to tell the
difference, but with a vehicle going head on into a concrete bridge
support at 65 mph a couple seconds after the aigbag blew up in the
drivers face, you would not be able to tell without extensive
investigation.

Will not be allowed in any vehicle I own under any circumstances - ever.

Pete C.

 

I consider zero deaths *caused* by airbags to be acceptable. Airbags are
a solution to a problem that does not exist. Seat belts work well and
are not capable of causing accidents. If people choose not to use seat
belts and are injured or killed as a result that is fine with me as it
is their choice. Do not force "death bags" onto the public in a
misguided attempt to "save" a few idiots who choose not to wear seat
belts.

Pete C.

 

I consider zero deaths *caused* by airbags to be acceptable. Airbags are
a solution to a problem that does not exist. Seat belts work well and
are not capable of causing accidents. If people choose not to use seat
belts and are injured or killed as a result that is fine with me as it
is their choice. Do not force "death bags" onto the public in a
misguided attempt to "save" a few idiots who choose not to wear seat
belts.

Pete C.

 

Nope, I always wear my seat belt and I keep "death bags" out of my
vehicles.

Pete C.

 

Nope, I always wear my seat belt and I keep "death bags" out of my
vehicles.

Pete C.

 

Um, you can remove the "death bag", it's not brain surgery and the
procedure is detailed in the service manuals. In fact when you read the
service procedure with all it's explosive warnings you will get an even
better idea of how dangerous the "death bags" are.

Pete C.

 

Um, you can remove the "death bag", it's not brain surgery and the
procedure is detailed in the service manuals. In fact when you read the
service procedure with all it's explosive warnings you will get an even
better idea of how dangerous the "death bags" are.

Pete C.

 

eh? so you're convinced that air bags are dangerous, but you don't know
how they work??? great!!! i have an old tekmark 27-b antigravity
machine i'm looking to sell - the one with the pink glitter girly
tassles on the hand grips. low mileage. want to buy it? we can work
out a great deal on the price i'm sure.

well pete, i hope you like it there in your radiation proof, virus
proof, anti-meteorite immortality bunker. but you know "they" are on to
you don't you? normally, once we've had the probe inserted, we're not
allowed to tip off the truth-warriors like you, but being as "they" are
outside your bunker right now, i figured it's safe to tell you; "they"
get you all in the end...

 

eh? so you're convinced that air bags are dangerous, but you don't know
how they work??? great!!! i have an old tekmark 27-b antigravity
machine i'm looking to sell - the one with the pink glitter girly
tassles on the hand grips. low mileage. want to buy it? we can work
out a great deal on the price i'm sure.

well pete, i hope you like it there in your radiation proof, virus
proof, anti-meteorite immortality bunker. but you know "they" are on to
you don't you? normally, once we've had the probe inserted, we're not
allowed to tip off the truth-warriors like you, but being as "they" are
outside your bunker right now, i figured it's safe to tell you; "they"
get you all in the end...

 

Reminds me of my mother. She would not wear seat belts. Worried about
being in a crash and knocked unconsious. If there were a fire and she
had belts on, she wouldn't be able to get out of car. Of course, I
never figured out how she'd get out of the car if she were unconsious
but NOT belted. Maybe she figured if she were not belted she'd always be
thrown from car.

 

Reminds me of my mother. She would not wear seat belts. Worried about
being in a crash and knocked unconsious. If there were a fire and she
had belts on, she wouldn't be able to get out of car. Of course, I
never figured out how she'd get out of the car if she were unconsious
but NOT belted. Maybe she figured if she were not belted she'd always be
thrown from car.

 

Whatever we think of it, that was the exact goal IIRC. It grew out of a US
congressional mandate for a passive restraint system (Big Brother is
watching you!) that first appeared as those god-awful automatic seatbelts.
Air bags came along and nobody had a better idea, so here we are. That's why
they are called Supplemental Restraint Systems - they are meant to
complement the use of seat belts, even though the original concept was to
protect those who didn't have the sense to put a seatbelt on and it is
widely recognized that air bags can increase injury to unbelted passengers
in many circumstances. Go figure.

Two of my coworkers have been in airbag deployments when the cars they were
driving were hit by oncoming cars during left turns. Both suffered
extensively bruised faces and the skin was scraped from the underside of
their arms. One was doing a hand-over-hand left turn (the way I was taught
back in the 60's; I guess we are to do the "mickey-mouse" method now) and
both his arms were broken across his face by the air bag - ouch! Both
credited the air bag with saving them from worse injuries.

Sometimes it reminds me of those schoolboy questions: "would you rather have
[one horrible happening] or [something else gross]?"

Mike

 

Whatever we think of it, that was the exact goal IIRC. It grew out of a US
congressional mandate for a passive restraint system (Big Brother is
watching you!) that first appeared as those god-awful automatic seatbelts.
Air bags came along and nobody had a better idea, so here we are. That's why
they are called Supplemental Restraint Systems - they are meant to
complement the use of seat belts, even though the original concept was to
protect those who didn't have the sense to put a seatbelt on and it is
widely recognized that air bags can increase injury to unbelted passengers
in many circumstances. Go figure.

Two of my coworkers have been in airbag deployments when the cars they were
driving were hit by oncoming cars during left turns. Both suffered
extensively bruised faces and the skin was scraped from the underside of
their arms. One was doing a hand-over-hand left turn (the way I was taught
back in the 60's; I guess we are to do the "mickey-mouse" method now) and
both his arms were broken across his face by the air bag - ouch! Both
credited the air bag with saving them from worse injuries.

Sometimes it reminds me of those schoolboy questions: "would you rather have
[one horrible happening] or [something else gross]?"

Mike

 

And you can just cut the death belts with scissors and strip the
plastic padding of death from the dash board. The lethally collapsing
steering wheel is harder to disable, but the original level of safety
can be restored by bracing a 4X4 timber against the frame pointed at
your head. Don't forget to remove the side impact death beams from
the doors and replace the death glass windshield with plate glass from
the local window repair company.