Honda "Drive by Wire" question... what if the power goes out?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by David E. Powell, Nov 18, 2005.

  1. David E. Powell

    mst Guest

    I doubt it, seriously. To my knowledge, concept cars
    are the only vehicles that employ steer-by-wire.
     
    mst, Nov 18, 2005
    #81
  2. David E. Powell

    mst Guest

    I think what you're referring to is "electric power steering".
     
    mst, Nov 18, 2005
    #82
  3. David E. Powell

    mst Guest

    I think what you're referring to is "electric power steering".
     
    mst, Nov 18, 2005
    #83
  4. Likely because "driving" involves/requires steering as well as throttle.
    Calling something "drive-by-wire" would imply that all systems
    required/necessary in order to "drive" (i.e. brakes, throttle, steering) are
    *all* involved in the "drive-by-wire" system. Honda used a very poor
    description of the "feature".
     
    James C. Reeves, Nov 18, 2005
    #84
  5. Likely because "driving" involves/requires steering as well as throttle.
    Calling something "drive-by-wire" would imply that all systems
    required/necessary in order to "drive" (i.e. brakes, throttle, steering) are
    *all* involved in the "drive-by-wire" system. Honda used a very poor
    description of the "feature".
     
    James C. Reeves, Nov 18, 2005
    #85
  6. David E. Powell

    Bucky Guest

    As others have mentioned, the Civic only has "throttle by wire". So in
    case of electronic failure, it would just slow to a stop. The car you
    really need to be watching out for is Mercedes, who has had "brake by
    wire" in its higher end models since 2003.
    I'm sure most people, including me, are uncomfortable with the concept
    of taking away direct control. But hypothetically, let's say mechanical
    catastrophic failure occurs 1 in a million chance. And after much
    maturation, electronic "drive by wire" systems only occur 1 in 10
    million chance. Which system would you prefer? (Again, that is just
    hypothetical, it may not be feasible to implement such a reliable
    electronic system cheaply). I would take the more reliable one.
     
    Bucky, Nov 18, 2005
    #86
  7. David E. Powell

    Bucky Guest

    As others have mentioned, the Civic only has "throttle by wire". So in
    case of electronic failure, it would just slow to a stop. The car you
    really need to be watching out for is Mercedes, who has had "brake by
    wire" in its higher end models since 2003.
    I'm sure most people, including me, are uncomfortable with the concept
    of taking away direct control. But hypothetically, let's say mechanical
    catastrophic failure occurs 1 in a million chance. And after much
    maturation, electronic "drive by wire" systems only occur 1 in 10
    million chance. Which system would you prefer? (Again, that is just
    hypothetical, it may not be feasible to implement such a reliable
    electronic system cheaply). I would take the more reliable one.
     
    Bucky, Nov 18, 2005
    #87
  8. David E. Powell

    Bucky Guest

    Because "drive by wire" means everything like throttle, brakes,
    steering, etc. Honda marketing is misleading people.
     
    Bucky, Nov 18, 2005
    #88
  9. David E. Powell

    Bucky Guest

    Because "drive by wire" means everything like throttle, brakes,
    steering, etc. Honda marketing is misleading people.
     
    Bucky, Nov 18, 2005
    #89
  10. And I thought GM and Crapsler were bad for misleading advertising.
     
    High Tech Misfit, Nov 18, 2005
    #90
  11. And I thought GM and Crapsler were bad for misleading advertising.
     
    High Tech Misfit, Nov 18, 2005
    #91
  12. David E. Powell

    Bucky Guest

    But the traction control system would keep the car going in a straight
    line. =)
     
    Bucky, Nov 18, 2005
    #92
  13. David E. Powell

    Bucky Guest

    But the traction control system would keep the car going in a straight
    line. =)
     
    Bucky, Nov 18, 2005
    #93
  14. David E. Powell

    Bruce Chang Guest

    I woudln't go that far but you would have at least spilled some milk.
     
    Bruce Chang, Nov 18, 2005
    #94
  15. David E. Powell

    Bruce Chang Guest

    I woudln't go that far but you would have at least spilled some milk.
     
    Bruce Chang, Nov 18, 2005
    #95
  16. Elle wrote:


    Indubitably true.


    True again.

    But in the comparison of aircraft "fly-by-wire" and the idea of truly
    analogous automotive "drive-by-wire", the plot tends to get lost.

    Aircraft "fly-by-wire" came about to address certain actual, specific
    issues regarding the rather inmportant goal of keeping an airplane in
    the air. Automotive "throttle-by-wire" (to coin a more accurate phrase)
    arose in an attempt at meeting emissions regulations. The difference is
    fundamental and of great import: One is critical, the other is utterly
    useless absent its regulatory impetus.

    To install true "drive-by-wire" in a road-going automobile on current
    roads would be astonishingly stupid. Airplanes are not cars and do not
    live in even remotely the same environment.
     
    Hugo Schmeisser, Nov 19, 2005
    #96
  17. Elle wrote:


    Indubitably true.


    True again.

    But in the comparison of aircraft "fly-by-wire" and the idea of truly
    analogous automotive "drive-by-wire", the plot tends to get lost.

    Aircraft "fly-by-wire" came about to address certain actual, specific
    issues regarding the rather inmportant goal of keeping an airplane in
    the air. Automotive "throttle-by-wire" (to coin a more accurate phrase)
    arose in an attempt at meeting emissions regulations. The difference is
    fundamental and of great import: One is critical, the other is utterly
    useless absent its regulatory impetus.

    To install true "drive-by-wire" in a road-going automobile on current
    roads would be astonishingly stupid. Airplanes are not cars and do not
    live in even remotely the same environment.
     
    Hugo Schmeisser, Nov 19, 2005
    #97
  18. Yea, even if you didn't want it to.
     
    James C. Reeves, Nov 19, 2005
    #98
  19. Yea, even if you didn't want it to.
     
    James C. Reeves, Nov 19, 2005
    #99
  20. David E. Powell

    AZ Nomad Guest

    Uh huh. Please name a single car with such steering. One example should
    be enough.
     
    AZ Nomad, Nov 19, 2005
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