Honda "Drive by Wire" question... what if the power goes out?

Uh huh. Please name a single car with such steering. One example should
be enough.

 

The Automatomobile, which is featured in several Isaac Asimov stories.
--scott

 

The Automatomobile, which is featured in several Isaac Asimov stories.
--scott

 

You're not categorically rejecting change here.

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technology.

 

You're not categorically rejecting change here.

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technology.

 

backup is STUPID.

Which is why I doubt it's this simple.

 

backup is STUPID.

Which is why I doubt it's this simple.

 

That last comment is a bit too sweeping, or a bit
misleading, for me to buy.

Some of the outcomes of reduced emissions regulations have
made automobiles less trouble-prone. That's good for the
driver-owner.

I agree people are throwing around this phrase very loosely
here.

But folks love to kvetch, so...

 

That last comment is a bit too sweeping, or a bit
misleading, for me to buy.

Some of the outcomes of reduced emissions regulations have
made automobiles less trouble-prone. That's good for the
driver-owner.

I agree people are throwing around this phrase very loosely
here.

But folks love to kvetch, so...

 

cT = 0.99

 

cT = 0.99

 

Sure sounds like the marketing department drivel to me. The engineers
were probably cringing.

Pete C.

 

Sure sounds like the marketing department drivel to me. The engineers
were probably cringing.

Pete C.

 

Brake-by-wire is little different than the brake-by-oil which is the
norm on pretty much every car and light truck and even some heavy
trucks. Of course the brake-by-oil is a split system and you still have
the cable operated parking/E-brake as backup. Presumably the
brake-by-wire system has similar redundancy and the good old cable
operated backup.

I have no problem with electronic linkages replacing mechanical ones.
Where I have a problem is when they try to interject computers in
between and have them second guess my judgment. No computer in any even
remotely affordable vehicle can ever (in my lifetime) have as much
sensory input as a human and therefore does not have the information to
even begin to second guess the human.

Pete C.

 

Brake-by-wire is little different than the brake-by-oil which is the
norm on pretty much every car and light truck and even some heavy
trucks. Of course the brake-by-oil is a split system and you still have
the cable operated parking/E-brake as backup. Presumably the
brake-by-wire system has similar redundancy and the good old cable
operated backup.

I have no problem with electronic linkages replacing mechanical ones.
Where I have a problem is when they try to interject computers in
between and have them second guess my judgment. No computer in any even
remotely affordable vehicle can ever (in my lifetime) have as much
sensory input as a human and therefore does not have the information to
even begin to second guess the human.

Pete C.

 

OK. A couple months back, one of the major news networks had a "Car of
the future" thing talking about future concepts, and one of them was a
fully fuel cell car, which had adaptable body/interior features, very
spacious interior (It looked like it skimped on safety to do so, being
a prototype, and might have been intended for a world where everything
went 20-30 mph, though it was underprotected even so IMO) So there are
such projects out there, and aircraft have done this for some years.

Long story short, it had a full steer by wire/drive by wire system that
the demonstrator gushed over. I don't like the idea. "Autodrive" cars
they are working on aren't my thing either.

When the Honda salesperson said "No mechanical, it is all drive by
wire" I figured it was like the one I had seen on TV,and the
salesperson basically seemed to agree when I asked. So since the
dealership person was saying it I figured I would ask on here, because
I have had experience with a car losing power at speed and it is not
fun, even with residual steering left after power steering fails, With
drive by wire it could be worse.

If the sales line the dealers are using is wrong, thank you for
informing me. I wish Honda would, because I am going on their word
here.

 

OK. A couple months back, one of the major news networks had a "Car of
the future" thing talking about future concepts, and one of them was a
fully fuel cell car, which had adaptable body/interior features, very
spacious interior (It looked like it skimped on safety to do so, being
a prototype, and might have been intended for a world where everything
went 20-30 mph, though it was underprotected even so IMO) So there are
such projects out there, and aircraft have done this for some years.

Long story short, it had a full steer by wire/drive by wire system that
the demonstrator gushed over. I don't like the idea. "Autodrive" cars
they are working on aren't my thing either.

When the Honda salesperson said "No mechanical, it is all drive by
wire" I figured it was like the one I had seen on TV,and the
salesperson basically seemed to agree when I asked. So since the
dealership person was saying it I figured I would ask on here, because
I have had experience with a car losing power at speed and it is not
fun, even with residual steering left after power steering fails, With
drive by wire it could be worse.

If the sales line the dealers are using is wrong, thank you for
informing me. I wish Honda would, because I am going on their word
here.

 

OK. A couple months back, one of the major news networks had a "Car of
the future" thing talking about future concepts, and one of them was a
fully fuel cell car, which had adaptable body/interior features, very
spacious interior (It looked like it skimped on safety to do so, being
a prototype, and might have been intended for a world where everything
went 20-30 mph, though it was underprotected even so IMO) So there are
such projects out there, and aircraft have done this for some years.

Long story short, it had a full steer by wire/drive by wire system that

the demonstrator gushed over. I don't like the idea. "Autodrive" cars
they are working on aren't my thing either.

When the Honda salesperson said "No mechanical, it's drive by
wire" I figured it was like the one I had seen on TV,and the
salesperson basically seemed to agree from the jist of the
conversation.
So since the dealership person was saying it I figured I would ask on
here, because
I have had experience with a car losing power at speed and it is not
fun, even with residual steering left after power steering fails, With
drive by wire it could be worse.

So, from the details I had heard, this is what I felt it was; a true
drive by wire, which I would be wary of due to my experience.

 

OK. A couple months back, one of the major news networks had a "Car of
the future" thing talking about future concepts, and one of them was a
fully fuel cell car, which had adaptable body/interior features, very
spacious interior (It looked like it skimped on safety to do so, being
a prototype, and might have been intended for a world where everything
went 20-30 mph, though it was underprotected even so IMO) So there are
such projects out there, and aircraft have done this for some years.

Long story short, it had a full steer by wire/drive by wire system that

the demonstrator gushed over. I don't like the idea. "Autodrive" cars
they are working on aren't my thing either.

When the Honda salesperson said "No mechanical, it's drive by
wire" I figured it was like the one I had seen on TV,and the
salesperson basically seemed to agree from the jist of the
conversation.
So since the dealership person was saying it I figured I would ask on
here, because
I have had experience with a car losing power at speed and it is not
fun, even with residual steering left after power steering fails, With
drive by wire it could be worse.

So, from the details I had heard, this is what I felt it was; a true
drive by wire, which I would be wary of due to my experience.

 

Fiction doesn't count as an example. If you haven't a single real world
example, perhaps it's time to put your strawman argument away.