Honda key fobs and how to replace when lost

the truth is inconsequential? that explains a lot about the behavior of
retards, but it does nothing for any poor s.o.b. trying to read the
archives for how to fix their car.

 

the truth is inconsequential? that explains a lot about the behavior of
retards, but it does nothing for any poor s.o.b. trying to read the
archives for how to fix their car.

 

So am I Teg and I assure you we are not all idiots.

 

I was in a grumpy mood yesterday so I made a grumpy post, which is out of
character for me, I think.

And being a Canadian myself, I can't logically exclude myself from the
"imperfect"list.

But indenting paragraphs in Usenet is still a silly idea.

 

The thing is, all key authorization is done by the keyless/immob unit in
the steering column.

True, if the ECM no workee then nothing workee, but it's the
keyless/immobilizer unit that specifically queries the keys, not the ECM.
The keyless/immob is what tells the ECM that a valid key has been found and
to go ahead and allow the engine to start. It's the keyless/immob unit that
needs to be reprogrammed to add or remove keys from the system.

 

The thing is, all key authorization is done by the keyless/immob unit in
the steering column.

True, if the ECM no workee then nothing workee, but it's the
keyless/immobilizer unit that specifically queries the keys, not the ECM.
The keyless/immob is what tells the ECM that a valid key has been found and
to go ahead and allow the engine to start. It's the keyless/immob unit that
needs to be reprogrammed to add or remove keys from the system.

 

How come Brian's leading spaces (from the converted "Tab") are missing from
your reply? Did you remove them yourself, or did your client strip them
automatically?

 

How come Brian's leading spaces (from the converted "Tab") are missing from
your reply? Did you remove them yourself, or did your client strip them
automatically?

 

Sorry to break it to you, but it's true.

I was originally using a quill pen by candlelight, but I found electricity
and a keyboard to be far more effective.

Say, did you ever hear of the Amish Virus?

 

Sorry to break it to you, but it's true.

I was originally using a quill pen by candlelight, but I found electricity
and a keyboard to be far more effective.

Say, did you ever hear of the Amish Virus?

 

Hmmm.. I was reading a Odyssey factory shop manual a while back... and
as I recall, the key heads all have unique random RFID tags (really a
little transponder)...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFID

...and it's the car computer thats actually gets programed to recognize
a new keys RFID tag.[/QUOTE]

More proof that Wikipedia, being edited by the masses, is nothing but
junk.

Look, people--I have four keys to my 02 Odyssey. I bought the extra two
the day after I took delivery of the car.

Back then, they were TWENTY-FIVE DOLLARS A KEY (now it's up to FIFTY).
Why? Because it's not just three bucks for cutting a five dollar key;
they ALSO had to COPY the transponder info from my factory key over to
the new keys. And back in September 2001, this was all brand new and
the machine to copy the transponder information over was brand new, and
they had to pay for that machine.

This is very, very, very, very clearly known up and down the food chain.
Just walk into a Honda dealer and ask how much to copy an existing and
functioning key, and ask what they need to do.

Yes. THAT'S what makes it so goddamned expensive when you lose all your
keys. There is NO WAY in the Honda world to make fresh keys match up
with the existing car computer without factory keys to copy from.

Now, THAT'S anti-theft.


And my thoughts on Wikipedia:

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to
include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous
to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only
reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an
opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large
groups.

 

Hmmm.. I was reading a Odyssey factory shop manual a while back... and
as I recall, the key heads all have unique random RFID tags (really a
little transponder)...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFID

...and it's the car computer thats actually gets programed to recognize
a new keys RFID tag.[/QUOTE]

More proof that Wikipedia, being edited by the masses, is nothing but
junk.

Look, people--I have four keys to my 02 Odyssey. I bought the extra two
the day after I took delivery of the car.

Back then, they were TWENTY-FIVE DOLLARS A KEY (now it's up to FIFTY).
Why? Because it's not just three bucks for cutting a five dollar key;
they ALSO had to COPY the transponder info from my factory key over to
the new keys. And back in September 2001, this was all brand new and
the machine to copy the transponder information over was brand new, and
they had to pay for that machine.

This is very, very, very, very clearly known up and down the food chain.
Just walk into a Honda dealer and ask how much to copy an existing and
functioning key, and ask what they need to do.

Yes. THAT'S what makes it so goddamned expensive when you lose all your
keys. There is NO WAY in the Honda world to make fresh keys match up
with the existing car computer without factory keys to copy from.

Now, THAT'S anti-theft.


And my thoughts on Wikipedia:

"You've probably noticed that opinion pollsters go out of their way to
include as many morons as possible in surveys ... I think it's dangerous
to inform morons about what their fellow morons are thinking. It only
reinforces their opinions. And the one thing worse than a moron with an
opinion is lots of them." -- Scott Adams

In other words: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large
groups.

 

that's just the reader. the immobilization is done at the ecu.

right, the ecu needs the reader to be able to talk with the key.
no/incorrect code, the ecu won't initiate start and is thus immobilized.

 

that's just the reader. the immobilization is done at the ecu.

right, the ecu needs the reader to be able to talk with the key.
no/incorrect code, the ecu won't initiate start and is thus immobilized.

 

it's not all junk. true, some of the opaque but "popular" stuff is
highly polluted by ignorance, but the beauty of wikipedia is that you
can correct it yourself.

yeah, but like so much of the car industry, you have ignorant dipshits
selling people stuff they don't need at gross expense. /someone/ in
that shark tank is going to try and sell someone a new $800 ecu just
because they want a new key.

great quote.

as has been proved here only recently!

 

it's not all junk. true, some of the opaque but "popular" stuff is
highly polluted by ignorance, but the beauty of wikipedia is that you
can correct it yourself.

yeah, but like so much of the car industry, you have ignorant dipshits
selling people stuff they don't need at gross expense. /someone/ in
that shark tank is going to try and sell someone a new $800 ecu just
because they want a new key.

great quote.

as has been proved here only recently!

 

my client strips them on response, but i get to, er, "enjoy" them when
reading his posts. he's clearly not kept up to speed since he learned
to type on a typewriter in the 50's.

 

my client strips them on response, but i get to, er, "enjoy" them when
reading his posts. he's clearly not kept up to speed since he learned
to type on a typewriter in the 50's.

 

I thought it was unlike you and I apologize for cursing you out as an
American.

In your opinion, sir. But it is accepted practice in other newsgroups.

 

I have been on usenet nearly since it's inception (and long before the
'world wide web'). No newsgroups I have ever seen which have actual
information being transferred in discussion form do this.

Of course, that doesn't make your statement inaccurate; there are
100,000 newsgroups. I just wanted to be sure folks know that it's not a
common thing.

Loved the bit about cursing tegger out as an American. You are too cute!


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen