Honda vs Toyota ??

Waiting to see how the model performs over the long term is obviously a
cautious
route. Given that the Net is a good source to expose any imperfection on an
aging
model, waiting for the 'guinea-pigs' to do their job, makes sense. It's nice
to know
that the manufactures (at least the ones that can afford it) are more
pro-active about
fixing bugs (and in some cases improving) on their current models.

Pars

 

Hello,
There are exceptions to every rule. For example, my '99 Accord is the
second generation--not the third. It's an exception to the rule since the
engine and related transmission was first used in the 1996 Acura CL. This
means that the engine and transmission in my 99 Accord was used three
years before it was placed in the 99 Accords. That's why I was not
concerned about it since I knew any defects found in the engine and
transmission were repaired before it was placed in my car.

 

Second generation of what?
My 91 is _fourth_ generations of Accords...

 

I would say, NO!

The 1.8 L engine was new. The auto tranny was new. The chassis was
also considerably bigger than the first gen Integra.

 

so the V6 version of the 96 acura and 99 accord didnt have any auto
tranny probs?

 

There are exceptions to every rule. I agree--Honda should have solved this
problem before they put that same defective transmission in the 99 Honda
Accord 6 cyld. cars. Honda dropped the ball. My neighbor has a 99 Honda 6
cyld. Accord. I have not told them about the problem since it would just
cause them to worry. Do you know whether or not Honda is replacing those
transmissions for free? if so, I will tell them in case their transmission
develops problems. I am glad that I have the 4 cyld. version of the same
car instead of the 6 cyld.

 

which about the same time honda took the decision to drop all hatchbacks
here in the u.s., make the civic macpherson strut and adopt red rear
turn signal lenses - one of the DUMBEST things i have ever seen. oh,
and make the accord have twin pipes coming out of the rear despite the
fact that there's only pipe coming under the car.

whatever my pet peeves, honda have come under a lot of criticism from
the financial analysts for their civic decison - it basically handed the
substantial "enthusiast" market to subaru on a plate with
correspondingly disasterous drops in sales. when's the last time you
saw an rsx, the macpherson "integra"? and toyota have taken a lot of
honda's family sedan market because of the transmission problems you cite.

honda used to be run by car enthusiasts. now, it seems to be run by
bean counters who think cosmetic garbage and engineering short cuts are
the way to make money. wrong honda, wrong. that's ford/g.m.'s game. i
used to buy honda because they were well made, well engineered, sporty
little cars. if i was in the market for a new car today, i'd buy toyota
or nissan. or subaru.

 

I agree. The last 10 years have seen way too many dumb decisions come
from Honda.

I love Honda, but I honestly believe--today--that Toyota provides a
better value.

Honda had better get back on the stick.

 

I think that we can all agree that Honda and Toyota both make cars that
are far superior to any of the cars made my GM and Ford.

 

or chrysler, whos biggest seller is the bloated pimpmobile 300. do they
offer a vinyl roof kit and whitewalls for that thing yet?

 

Pimpmobile is an accurate term. It looks like a Cadillac.

 

I'll never forget many years ago seeing a Cressida on the Toyota
dealer's lot, full of vinyl roof kit and wire wheels and whitewalls. I
had to ask; it seems that they did the car up for a customer who never
returned, so they stuck it out there to see what they could do with it.

I didn't ask if the work was paid for or if the dealership did it on
spec; I wasn't going to put them in that position, because I got the
feeling they did it on spec. Poor bastards.

 

Here's an article I wrote 3 years ago that flowed the same thread.



Too bad...what happened to the days when the Civic was all about an
automobile
that was derived from racing inspired genes. Don't the car company know that
the been counters are only about the short term profit?? BMW, Mercedes, GM
are
the kind of car company that are
careful about protecting their roots. New roots are going to have be grown,
and
since cars are generally alot more reliable when compared to the past, it
shouldn't be difficult for a car company like Hyundai to build something
sporting and economical that only cost about 12k. All they have to do is
copy
the CRX.


Pars

 

missing link!

 

I did a cut and paste the acutal article (as per above). But here's the
link...

http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.autos.makers.honda/browse_thread/thread/9285709224126096/6b987a1d0babffcf?q=pars+bean+counters&rnum=1&hl=en#6b987a1d0babffcf

Pars