Honda VTEC, what's it like?

Noddy wrote:
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That's not quite true, WRT the particular cars being asked
about in the thread. The non-VTEC GLi had 100cc less engine
for starters (AFAIK it was basically the old twin-carb 1.5
with injection fitted), but the best comparison would
probably be the VTi & the Si that preceded it. Both were
1.6 litres, both cars were almost identical to look at (only
minor details changed, like interior trim), but while the Si
was the 96kW DOHC Gen-II CRX engine, the VTi had a 96kW SOHC
VTEC engine. My mum & then sister had an auto Si sedan, and
you really needed to rev the ring out of it to get anywhere,
but when my parent's neighbour bought a VTi a coupla years
later, I had a quick go of that car & it handled the auto
transmission HEAPS better. Flattening the right foot
achieved pretty much the same thing (and probably with a bit
more reluctance & more noise in the VTi), but in normal
driving the SOHC VTEC version was much more tractable than
the DOHC non-VTEC.

Bloody reliable car though, "we" had it for 10 years & 160k
kms & the only thing that ever needed doing was filters,
tyres, oil, petrol, and a couple of loose nuts in the rear
driver's side central-locking mechanism. Oh, and a bit of
panel-beating where a cement-truck collected it at a
roundabout ...


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yeah but in that instance forg, you're comparing engines of the same
power, one with vtec one without. if you compare engines of different
power, where the vtec makes signifigantly more, then there's a much
better chance the low power model is designed more as a lower rpm
grunter.
I hope my thoughts made sense then

Charlie

 

Charlie wrote:
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Yeah, they did; but from experience with the cars in
question, it's not quite correct in this particular case.
The VTi was more like the current batch of normal "runabout"
engines in just about all small-medium cars; they're
moderately powered & moderately torquey & not the high-rev
beasties like the Civic VTi-R used to be & the S2000 is.


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YOUR to blame 100% , with your experience in the car field why did you ever let
her buy it???

As Hinch would say, "shame,shame shame " and /or similar

I would rather a donkey than ANY as you say "shit" ahahonda's

Not in my or families lifetime

CDIHL

 

shoosh.

Charlie

 

Original Mini's were available with autos...

Regards,
Noddy.

 

He was asking what VTEC was like, not what you talk all the time....

Dickhead...

Regards,
Noddy.

 

They'd have been a much better proposition with CVT's.
Daf patent. And most of all....

Bugger.
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She bought it back when I was at high school, with zero car interest. I'm
not 80 years old like you - Of course I know you are 80 because you have
apparently seen every decent racing driver since the 1920's so you can
directly compare them to schumacher.

 

An old bastard like you WOULD know that.

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Current car: silver manual Holden Astra SRi
Dream car: black Lamborghini Diablo

Respect for the man in the ice-cream van.

 

They're actually a very good little car, and always have been.

It's just a shame they have the image they do (doof-doof ricer club toys),
as my wife would like one.

Regards,
Noddy.

 

Probably.

They actually were quite a reliable little car, and I can remember my
Grandmother buying one new in the early '60's.

The problem with them at the time was that the average Joe couldn't
comprehend that a car as small as the Mini could actually have a functioning
automatic transmission that didn't kill it's performance, thus it never
became a popular choice.

The Auto version never lasted long, and was discontinued due to lack of
buyer interest...

Regards,
Noddy.

 

I love you too Ben

Regards,
Noddy.

 

Backs to the wall boys.

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Current car: silver manual Holden Astra SRi
Dream car: black Lamborghini Diablo

Respect for the man in the ice-cream van.

 

i drove the 1.8lt Astina and it was much better... and i expect the 2.0lt V6
Astina to be better again. But i was disappointed with the civic as far as
power etc goes

 

well, in my GS-R's case, 7600 rpm (peak HP). it's far from useless
unless there's something you find particularily frightening about
revving up that high.

 

Depends on the car. It's in the mid RPM range for some. The sporty
cars have it at the higher ranges since that's where the drivers of
those cars will want the most power.

 

I knew it. I've actually driven a couple. I even drove one in a morris
1100. A friend bought it, and it was unrego'd etc. We towed it home with
a tow rope. It had no foot brakes, no running engine - all I had was the
handbrake.

It was on the way home that I found out that these autos have a 'rear
pump' in addition to the std ones. In 90% of autos, the oil pump is
driven by the convertor 'snout' so you don't get oil pressure (and
engagement etc) unless the engine is running. So they can't be push
started.

I was screwing around with the car (I was the crash test dummy, my mate
drove the tow car) and threw it into gear. The rear pump is driven by
the output shaft (or it's equivalent) in the trans. It means that for
towing, it will still pump fluid through and keep the trans safe - as if
it's moving, it's lubricating. It also means you can push start them
(maybe not solo, might need a reasonable incline to let gravity do the
work).

But predominantly it's value is in providing proper lube etc if it has
to be towed.

(towing an auto long distances with the tailshaft hooked up is a bad
idea an if it's more than a 10 minute drive, I'd be reluctant - but we
didn't give to shits about the trans, it was bought for two things - it
had a 12g295 head (also fitted to the 998 cooper minis) and it had
cooper S outer CV shafts (the cooper S discs used a bigger shaft/splines
than the cooper 7 inch discs and all front drum setups, the morris 1100
ran the larger ones)

So I throw it into gear and the light switch was on (remember no battery
etc) - as soon as I threw it into gear, the lights came on. My hear
skipped a beat as I saw bright light - I thought something had caught
aligt for a split second.

Further 'scientific research' found that all the electricals worked
quite well!

Want to get really silly - guess how many forward speeds the mini autos
have... They also had the ability to act as a semi manually
selected/over-ridden via the shifter and valve body design. It did
provide for more user input for certain situations (hills, and perhaps
engine braking, to assist in a tight spot - since the front drums didn't
generally have the ability to even get near the limit of the tyre grip
(hell even the 7 inch cooper discs - the 7.5 cooper S discs are average,
but with the right pads can put you through the windscreen practically
(even whilst wearing a seatbelt)

Not bad for 1959.

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Original Mini's were available with autos...

I had a Moke with a Morris 1300/Minimatic 4 speed auto and a 1275, on
LPG.

1965.

The mini appeared in 1959, the 1100 in 1962 or 1963, the auto in 1965.

Still not bad though. Front drive, 4 speed auto, full auto or sequential
manual. All about 25 years before the Japanese made all this
commonplace.

 

GiJO wrote:
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I'm a bit surprised at that; I didn't think the 1.8 Astina
any better than the Civic VTi at all. I'd agree about the
V6 Astina, really nice car (and I forgot about it when I was
talking about 2.0 Pulsars); although I would've expected it
to be close to 50% more expensive on the used market? Have
you looked at 2.0 Pulsars, BTW?


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