I like to come to alt.autos.honda- I don't own a Honda (and thank God, after reading all these posts of what's going wrong with them.) The reason I like to come to the Honda message board is because: I have NEVER seen anyone in so much defense of their vehicles, as Honda owners are. Is it because you realize that Hondas are junk (which, would appear you do, from the wide array of posts of what has gone wrong with Hondas?) Now, I realize that SOME (notice I said "some") Hondas can beat a Camaro of ANY type- stock or not- which is fine (I could careless, really.) However, when it comes to which vehicle is "junk," take a look at your very own board: alt.autos.honda.