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jim beam · Mar 31, 2006

Mike said:

Methinks you friend does not know how to drive.
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with respect, that's not the point. /he/ drove /my/ car and [correctly]
concluded that it handled better in those conditions. it really doesn't
matter how well he was able to drive [although he's not bad] - it's the
comparison between cars that counts.

jim beam · Mar 31, 2006

Mike said:

Methinks you friend does not know how to drive.
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with respect, that's not the point. /he/ drove /my/ car and [correctly]
concluded that it handled better in those conditions. it really doesn't
matter how well he was able to drive [although he's not bad] - it's the
comparison between cars that counts.

jim beam · Mar 31, 2006

Ted said:

Everyone in the US who doesen't have a big powerful sports car makes the
same claims and tells this same story with minor variations.

The Europeans have tried to redefine a sports car as a car that goes fast
through the turns. This completely ignores several fundamental realities
of driving:

a) Driving like this makes you throw up
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b) Just about all roadway corners do not have enough forward visibility to
safely go around at 80Mph.
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ted, go back to driving your buick will you please. thanks.

jim beam · Mar 31, 2006

Ted said:

Everyone in the US who doesen't have a big powerful sports car makes the
same claims and tells this same story with minor variations.

The Europeans have tried to redefine a sports car as a car that goes fast
through the turns. This completely ignores several fundamental realities
of driving:

a) Driving like this makes you throw up
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uh?

....

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b) Just about all roadway corners do not have enough forward visibility to
safely go around at 80Mph.
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ted, go back to driving your buick will you please. thanks.

John Horner · Mar 31, 2006

Ted said:

Everyone in the US who doesen't have a big powerful sports car makes the
same claims and tells this same story with minor variations.

The Europeans have tried to redefine a sports car as a car that goes fast
through the turns. This completely ignores several fundamental realities
of driving:
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You are very out of date. Modern high end European sports cars go fast
straight ahead and in the twisties.

John

John Horner · Mar 31, 2006

Ted said:

Everyone in the US who doesen't have a big powerful sports car makes the
same claims and tells this same story with minor variations.

The Europeans have tried to redefine a sports car as a car that goes fast
through the turns. This completely ignores several fundamental realities
of driving:
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You are very out of date. Modern high end European sports cars go fast
straight ahead and in the twisties.

John

Codifus · Mar 31, 2006

Ted said:

Everyone in the US who doesen't have a big powerful sports car makes the
same claims and tells this same story with minor variations.

The Europeans have tried to redefine a sports car as a car that goes fast
through the turns. This completely ignores several fundamental realities
of driving:

a) Driving like this makes you throw up
b) Just about all roadway corners do not have enough forward visibility to
safely go around at 80Mph. While you may be easily able to stay in
your lane, the big panel truck coming the opposite direction going 40Mph
could easily have crossed over the centerline, and your not going to have
enough road at that speed for him to get back over and for you to swerve
safely

The rest of the world doesen't like to look at straight-line performance
because if they built cars that had it, very few of their customers would
buy them.

But, driving in a straight line is the safest possible way to race against
the next guy on the public street, and there is nothing like being slammed
back in your seat with powerful accelleration as the feeling of power in
a car.

Watch little kids playing with their HotWheels, they race against each
other in a straight line, when have you ever seen little kids with toy
cars pretending to saloom through a bunch of curves? How fun is that?
little kids know what a fun car does, the only reason you have forgotten
is because you have been reprogrammed by the advertisers who only
have crappy product to sell.

Rocket ships go stright with tons of accelleration. Racing jet boats
go in a straight line with tons of accelleration. Drag cars and drag
motorcycles go in a straight line with tons of accelleration, and you
have not lived until you have sat on a 1000cc Kawasaki with wheelie
bars and shot down a quarter mile at full throttle.

Ted
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Oh my god you are too funny with this straight line Mantra!! It's not
all about the straight line, and it's not all about the cornering. It is
about both the straight and the corner.

Here's the thing: A car that can corners very well has no problem going
straight. The car that's built to go straight . . .good luck in the corner.

That's why If I had to choose between a Viper or a Vette, give me the
Vette, the best ALL AROUND American sports car.SHeesh, I toyed with a
Viper in my slightly modified 200 Hp 98 Maxima. I ate him in the
twisties. Of course when the road straightened out, he was gone. With a
Vette, it would have taken me in the turns AND disappered in the
horizon. That's what I'm talking about.

CD

Codifus · Mar 31, 2006

Ted said:

Everyone in the US who doesen't have a big powerful sports car makes the
same claims and tells this same story with minor variations.

The Europeans have tried to redefine a sports car as a car that goes fast
through the turns. This completely ignores several fundamental realities
of driving:

a) Driving like this makes you throw up
b) Just about all roadway corners do not have enough forward visibility to
safely go around at 80Mph. While you may be easily able to stay in
your lane, the big panel truck coming the opposite direction going 40Mph
could easily have crossed over the centerline, and your not going to have
enough road at that speed for him to get back over and for you to swerve
safely

The rest of the world doesen't like to look at straight-line performance
because if they built cars that had it, very few of their customers would
buy them.

But, driving in a straight line is the safest possible way to race against
the next guy on the public street, and there is nothing like being slammed
back in your seat with powerful accelleration as the feeling of power in
a car.

Watch little kids playing with their HotWheels, they race against each
other in a straight line, when have you ever seen little kids with toy
cars pretending to saloom through a bunch of curves? How fun is that?
little kids know what a fun car does, the only reason you have forgotten
is because you have been reprogrammed by the advertisers who only
have crappy product to sell.

Rocket ships go stright with tons of accelleration. Racing jet boats
go in a straight line with tons of accelleration. Drag cars and drag
motorcycles go in a straight line with tons of accelleration, and you
have not lived until you have sat on a 1000cc Kawasaki with wheelie
bars and shot down a quarter mile at full throttle.

Ted
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Oh my god you are too funny with this straight line Mantra!! It's not
all about the straight line, and it's not all about the cornering. It is
about both the straight and the corner.

Here's the thing: A car that can corners very well has no problem going
straight. The car that's built to go straight . . .good luck in the corner.

That's why If I had to choose between a Viper or a Vette, give me the
Vette, the best ALL AROUND American sports car.SHeesh, I toyed with a
Viper in my slightly modified 200 Hp 98 Maxima. I ate him in the
twisties. Of course when the road straightened out, he was gone. With a
Vette, it would have taken me in the turns AND disappered in the
horizon. That's what I'm talking about.

CD

Bob Palmer · Mar 31, 2006

Ted Mittelstaedt said:

Everyone in the US who doesen't have a big powerful sports car makes the
same claims and tells this same story with minor variations.

The Europeans have tried to redefine a sports car as a car that goes fast
through the turns. This completely ignores several fundamental realities
of driving:

a) Driving like this makes you throw up
b) Just about all roadway corners do not have enough forward visibility to
safely go around at 80Mph. While you may be easily able to stay in
your lane, the big panel truck coming the opposite direction going 40Mph
could easily have crossed over the centerline, and your not going to have
enough road at that speed for him to get back over and for you to swerve
safely

The rest of the world doesen't like to look at straight-line performance
because if they built cars that had it, very few of their customers would
buy them.

But, driving in a straight line is the safest possible way to race against
the next guy on the public street, and there is nothing like being slammed
back in your seat with powerful accelleration as the feeling of power in
a car.

Watch little kids playing with their HotWheels, they race against each
other in a straight line, when have you ever seen little kids with toy
cars pretending to saloom through a bunch of curves? How fun is that?
little kids know what a fun car does, the only reason you have forgotten
is because you have been reprogrammed by the advertisers who only
have crappy product to sell.

Rocket ships go stright with tons of accelleration. Racing jet boats
go in a straight line with tons of accelleration. Drag cars and drag
motorcycles go in a straight line with tons of accelleration, and you
have not lived until you have sat on a 1000cc Kawasaki with wheelie
bars and shot down a quarter mile at full throttle.

Ted
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I've never read so much BS in my life. Racing should mimic real world
driving. After all, all vehicles are developed to accelerate in a straight
line and then go around curves and corners, up hills and down hills. If they
weren't, there would be no steering wheel, shock absorbers and springs, or
gears to downshift and upshift. Give me a break. The anvil heads you see on
the roads today are useless. I have a friend that has a Ford F250 4X4 with a
diesel engine and wonders why he can't make it up a hill in the snow. It's
because the freaking lead anvil under the hood doesn't want to. On a curve,
the anvil under the hood will go where ever it wants no matter how you steer
and brake. If you are patriotic buy American. That, to me is the only reason
to consider their product. However, the Camry is built by American workers,
the Cavalier built by Mexicans.

Bob Palmer · Mar 31, 2006

Ted Mittelstaedt said:

Everyone in the US who doesen't have a big powerful sports car makes the
same claims and tells this same story with minor variations.

The Europeans have tried to redefine a sports car as a car that goes fast
through the turns. This completely ignores several fundamental realities
of driving:

a) Driving like this makes you throw up
b) Just about all roadway corners do not have enough forward visibility to
safely go around at 80Mph. While you may be easily able to stay in
your lane, the big panel truck coming the opposite direction going 40Mph
could easily have crossed over the centerline, and your not going to have
enough road at that speed for him to get back over and for you to swerve
safely

The rest of the world doesen't like to look at straight-line performance
because if they built cars that had it, very few of their customers would
buy them.

But, driving in a straight line is the safest possible way to race against
the next guy on the public street, and there is nothing like being slammed
back in your seat with powerful accelleration as the feeling of power in
a car.

Watch little kids playing with their HotWheels, they race against each
other in a straight line, when have you ever seen little kids with toy
cars pretending to saloom through a bunch of curves? How fun is that?
little kids know what a fun car does, the only reason you have forgotten
is because you have been reprogrammed by the advertisers who only
have crappy product to sell.

Rocket ships go stright with tons of accelleration. Racing jet boats
go in a straight line with tons of accelleration. Drag cars and drag
motorcycles go in a straight line with tons of accelleration, and you
have not lived until you have sat on a 1000cc Kawasaki with wheelie
bars and shot down a quarter mile at full throttle.

Ted
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I've never read so much BS in my life. Racing should mimic real world
driving. After all, all vehicles are developed to accelerate in a straight
line and then go around curves and corners, up hills and down hills. If they
weren't, there would be no steering wheel, shock absorbers and springs, or
gears to downshift and upshift. Give me a break. The anvil heads you see on
the roads today are useless. I have a friend that has a Ford F250 4X4 with a
diesel engine and wonders why he can't make it up a hill in the snow. It's
because the freaking lead anvil under the hood doesn't want to. On a curve,
the anvil under the hood will go where ever it wants no matter how you steer
and brake. If you are patriotic buy American. That, to me is the only reason
to consider their product. However, the Camry is built by American workers,
the Cavalier built by Mexicans.

Newsgroup User · Apr 1, 2006

Bob said:

the roads today are useless. I have a friend that has a Ford F250 4X4 with a
diesel engine and wonders why he can't make it up a hill in the snow. It's
because the freaking lead anvil under the hood doesn't want to. On a curve,
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Huh? I'd wonder why too - with 4x4 and decent tires, there is no reason
he shouldn't make it up a hill in the snow in 4x4. If nothing else, the
truck will spin the rears while the front claws up the hill....

Newsgroup User · Apr 1, 2006

Bob said:

the roads today are useless. I have a friend that has a Ford F250 4X4 with a
diesel engine and wonders why he can't make it up a hill in the snow. It's
because the freaking lead anvil under the hood doesn't want to. On a curve,
Click to expand...

Huh? I'd wonder why too - with 4x4 and decent tires, there is no reason
he shouldn't make it up a hill in the snow in 4x4. If nothing else, the
truck will spin the rears while the front claws up the hill....

Newsgroup User · Apr 1, 2006

jim said:

with respect, that's not the point. /he/ drove /my/ car and [correctly]
concluded that it handled better in those conditions. it really doesn't
matter how well he was able to drive [although he's not bad] - it's the
comparison between cars that counts.
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Having grown up driving Mustangs (now drive something else), the 'Stang
can handle just fine in the twisties. You need good shocks and tires.
Certainly should be able to outdo a Civic - Mustangs are not that bad in
the turns.

Newsgroup User · Apr 1, 2006

jim said:

with respect, that's not the point. /he/ drove /my/ car and [correctly]
concluded that it handled better in those conditions. it really doesn't
matter how well he was able to drive [although he's not bad] - it's the
comparison between cars that counts.
Click to expand...

Having grown up driving Mustangs (now drive something else), the 'Stang
can handle just fine in the twisties. You need good shocks and tires.
Certainly should be able to outdo a Civic - Mustangs are not that bad in
the turns.

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Ray O · Apr 1, 2006

Newsgroup User said:

Huh? I'd wonder why too - with 4x4 and decent tires, there is no reason
he shouldn't make it up a hill in the snow in 4x4. If nothing else, the
truck will spin the rears while the front claws up the hill....
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When accelerating or going uphill, a portion of the vehicle's weight is
transferred to the rear wheels. This helps traction in a RWD vehicle and
decreases traction in a FWD vehicle. The Ford shouldn't spin its rear
wheels while the front "claws up the hill" because the weight bias is
towards the rear unless the transfer case or center differential has a bias
towards the front wheels. I suspect that the F250 4X4 needs better tires.

Ray O · Apr 1, 2006

Newsgroup User said:

Huh? I'd wonder why too - with 4x4 and decent tires, there is no reason
he shouldn't make it up a hill in the snow in 4x4. If nothing else, the
truck will spin the rears while the front claws up the hill....
Click to expand...

When accelerating or going uphill, a portion of the vehicle's weight is
transferred to the rear wheels. This helps traction in a RWD vehicle and
decreases traction in a FWD vehicle. The Ford shouldn't spin its rear
wheels while the front "claws up the hill" because the weight bias is
towards the rear unless the transfer case or center differential has a bias
towards the front wheels. I suspect that the F250 4X4 needs better tires.

Nate Nagel · Apr 1, 2006

Ray said:

When accelerating or going uphill, a portion of the vehicle's weight is
transferred to the rear wheels. This helps traction in a RWD vehicle and
decreases traction in a FWD vehicle. The Ford shouldn't spin its rear
wheels while the front "claws up the hill" because the weight bias is
towards the rear unless the transfer case or center differential has a bias
towards the front wheels. I suspect that the F250 4X4 needs better tires.
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Most real 4x4s have a lockable transfer case anyway so front/rear weight
bias shouldn't be an issue. I also am puzzled as why your friend is
having issues with his truck.

nate

Nate Nagel · Apr 1, 2006

Ray said:

When accelerating or going uphill, a portion of the vehicle's weight is
transferred to the rear wheels. This helps traction in a RWD vehicle and
decreases traction in a FWD vehicle. The Ford shouldn't spin its rear
wheels while the front "claws up the hill" because the weight bias is
towards the rear unless the transfer case or center differential has a bias
towards the front wheels. I suspect that the F250 4X4 needs better tires.
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Most real 4x4s have a lockable transfer case anyway so front/rear weight
bias shouldn't be an issue. I also am puzzled as why your friend is
having issues with his truck.

nate

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