Hybrid cars

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by aniramca, Jan 15, 2006.

  1. aniramca

    clifto Guest

    On the contrary, you must believe people are morons to believe the universe
    just popped out of nowhere.
     
    clifto, Jan 19, 2006
  2. aniramca

    y_p_w Guest

    That wasn't exactly what I was getting at. You would get a maximum
    fuel economy with an engine that is maxed out for engine efficiency
    AND where the aerodynamics and rolling resistance don't increase
    to the point where they overcome any efficiency gains for being
    maxed out. A smaller engine is efficient at highway speeds because
    it's being flogged. A larger engine would be theoretically more
    efficient at higher speeds in a vacuum with no rolling resistance. Of
    course in the real world, that's where the aerodynamics take away
    gains in efficiency.
     
    y_p_w, Jan 19, 2006
  3. aniramca

    Art Guest

    So where did God pop out of?
     
    Art, Jan 19, 2006
  4. aniramca

    Art Guest

    If you think big companies are effiicient, you have never worked for a big
    company.
     
    Art, Jan 19, 2006
  5. If you think the government is less efficient than big companies, you've
    never worked for both to compare the two.
     
    James Robinson, Jan 19, 2006
  6. aniramca

    Spazpop2000 Guest

    Don't forget that Catholics did not formally acknowledge a
    heliocentric solar system until 1992, 350 years after Galileo produced
    evidence supporting Copernicus's theory (for which Galileo was
    condemned by the Catholic church):

    http://www.its.caltech.edu/~nmcenter/sci-cp/sci-9211.html

    Christians have a tendency to cling to beliefs long after overwhelming
    evidence refutes them. This is because their beliefs are based on
    faith, not fact. Science is open to the scrutiny of facts and the
    addition of new information that may support or refute current
    theories. While scienctific theories are flexible and can be adjusted
    due to the introduction of new facts, faith-based religions cannot- it
    goes against the whole idea of believing the impossible (or highly
    unlikely) without supporting factual evidence. Science DOES NOT
    introduce unsubstantiated beliefs in order to explain observable
    phenomena. There's no need for it; you just accept the fact that you
    don't have all of the information necessary to sove the puzzle...yet.

    Ironically, two of the most controversial scientific theories of our
    time were both introduced by practicing or aspiring clergy- Charles
    Darwin was *this close* to joining the ministry before accepting a
    position on the HMS Beagle, and one of the main contributors to the
    theory which would be later known as the "Big Bang" was a Belgian
    priest named George Lemaitre.


    "It is necessary to repeat here what I said above. It is a duty for
    theologians to keep themselves regularly informed of scientific
    advances in order to examine if such be necessary, whether or not
    there are reasons for taking them into account in their reflection or
    for introducing changes in their teaching."- Pope John Paul II
     
    Spazpop2000, Jan 19, 2006
  7. aniramca

    Spazpop2000 Guest

    Beautiful.

     
    Spazpop2000, Jan 19, 2006
  8. aniramca

    y_p_w Guest

    The term is "early adopters". I bought my first DVD player in 1997
    before they really took off. Cost me $1099, although it was for the
    Pioneer combinational LaserDisc/DVD player. I bought another one
    later that Fall (from Sony) for $600. These days a machine for
    under $100 will perform at least as well and have more capabilities
    that were added as the technology progressed.

    I used to work in downtown Berkeley, California. I would park at
    a city owned garage which was used for part of the city's motor
    pool. City Hall and many city offices were within a block. I
    think the city's policy used to be to buy American makes. There
    were a lot of white Ford Tempos, Chevy Cavaliers, and Dodge
    Ram pickups. Recently though, they've had several Honda Civic
    Hybrids.
     
    y_p_w, Jan 19, 2006
  9. aniramca

    Ray O Guest

    I enjoyed being an early adopter of automotive tgechnology a lot more when
    it was part of the job and didn 't cost me anything. I am a little less
    enthusiastic now that I have to pay for cars :-(
    I lived in the Bay area from '78 to '83 and noticed that there were a lot
    more imports on the road in CA than in the Midwest. I suppose that the
    trend towards imports may even be stronger than it was back then.
     
    Ray O, Jan 19, 2006
  10. aniramca

    clifto Guest

    Not smart enough to figure it out? Hands in the air?

    I'll try an analogy, though I've never encountered a leftist who could
    understand the difference between analogy and testimony.

    Picture a baby that dies at the age of two weeks. While he's alive, he
    doesn't understand how he got there, who created his crib or the mobile
    above his head, and the intelligence of those who put him on Earth is
    so far beyond his that no one could explain it to him. His "creators"
    were there before he was, and they will be there after he dies, and
    he doesn't know why.

    Now, I figure that any intelligence(s) who created the universe would be
    enough above my abilities that it could be there before I or my ancestors
    got here, could be there after the heat death of the Earth, and could be
    so far beyond my mental powers that I'd never understand the story if
    he/she/they explained it to me. Kinda like the baby.

    The difference between the universe being created by an intelligent
    designer, and the universe just popping out of nowhere, is pretty big.
    And nowhere should it say that intelligent design prevents evolution.
    In fact, if I were designing the universe, I'd put evolution in there.
    And I figure whoever designed the universe is smarter than I, so I bet
    he/she/it would figure that out too.

    Feel free to have the last word. I'm back to autos.
     
    clifto, Jan 19, 2006
  11. aniramca

    Larry Gross Guest

    agree. It's the base load that drives train ... but it's the peak load
    that
    drives required capacity because unless or until utilities are
    permitted
    to not deliver full adequate loads at peak - then they take the
    economic
    hit to add capacity ... which is in one way or other.. eventually
    passed
    on to consumers .. i.e. no business can be competitive much less
    operate on a sustainable basis if it takes in less than it costs to
    produce.

    but I saw a presentation the other night from Dominion Power and they
    showed a chart that indicated for the last 4 years almost the entire
    added capacity is... provided by natural gas and guess what is
    happening
    to the price of NG? in a word - up... ergo higher prices for consumers.

    .... but we all know what happens when something becomes more
    expensive... it has a tendancy to moderate demand....

    ... NEW coal-fired plants have much stricter emission limits - so
    that power is also going to be more expensive and the guy
    from Virginia power said that there is already a gap window
    too wide for new nukes and even new coal-fired...
     
    Larry Gross, Jan 19, 2006
  12. aniramca

    y_p_w Guest

    The city population as a whole leans towards import makes, like
    Honda, Toyota, Volvo, and BMW. The city itself has varying
    incomes, and the tendency is towards American makes in some
    of the lower income parts of town.

    There's only a single new car dealer in Berkeley that still sells
    an American make (a VW/Cadillac dealer). There used to be
    dealers for Olds, Buick, and Chevy until business started waning
    in the 90's. Reggie Jackson Chevrolet was the last to close. It's
    now a bookstore.
     
    y_p_w, Jan 20, 2006
  13. aniramca

    Ray O Guest

    Is Tim Soluthwick's Toyota of Berkeley still there?
     
    Ray O, Jan 20, 2006
  14. did you hear about the early draft of "Of Pandas and People," the
    premier ID textbook that was introduced into the Dover trial? It was
    basically the same as the published version except that everywhere the
    published version says "ID," the draft says "creationism."

    Either way, it isn't science.
     
    Gordon McGrew, Jan 20, 2006
  15. aniramca

    Guest Guest

    If the federal government isn't discouraging stem cell research, why is
    it prohibiting federal funding to any institution that uses other
    genetic lines, even if the latter are privately funded? Also the 60
    lines are more like just 12 unique ones, and all have been contaminated
    with non-human DNA, making them much less useful, practically useless.
     
    Guest, Jan 20, 2006
  16. this has all been very interesting. I don't feel so bad about driving
    my Chevette at engine-screaming speeds when I was a teenager anymore :)

    --
    Thank you,


    CL Gilbert
    "Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor
    man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard." Ecclesiastes 9:16
     
    CL (dnoyeB) Gilbert, Jan 20, 2006
  17. aniramca

    Don Stauffer Guest

    One reason is that performance is not such a big issue, and typical cars
    there have smaller engines, and already get better milage than typical
    cars sold in US. Hybrids are way to keep performance AND high milage.
    yeah, you pay a premium for a car with good milage and performance
    compared to just small engined car, but US buyers are willing and able
    to pay such a premium.
     
    Don Stauffer, Jan 20, 2006
  18. aniramca

    Don Stauffer Guest

    The engine with a smaller throttle opening is less efficient even on a
    dyno. In fact, that is the way specific fuel consumption is measured.

    So as long as we have the same car with the same hp requirement, and the
    large engine is not wide open, a smaller engine with a higher percentage
    throttle opening will be more efficient.

    Yes, you can say the small engine is being flogged, but as long as it is
    designed for continuous operation at its max hp rating (i.e., cooling
    and bearings adequate) there is nothing wrong with that. Old beetle
    used to be able to cruise all day at full throttle.
     
    Don Stauffer, Jan 20, 2006
  19. aniramca

    y_p_w Guest

    How would an air-cooled engine do on a dyno at full-throttle? I'm
    curious how they would have been tested.
     
    y_p_w, Jan 20, 2006
  20. aniramca

    Jack May Guest

    The venture capitalist won't fund stem cell research until more research is
    done where it is at the level that those venture cabalist can make
    investment decisions.

    The net result is that the companies will start in other countries where the
    research is being done and has the experienced people that are needed for
    these start up companies.

    The net result is that the Bush policy is highly anti-business in the US and
    provides other countries to become dominant in what will be the biological
    equivalent of Silicon Valley for medical companies. Those companies will
    become the economic and power base for the Governments leading to a decline
    of the US.

    No matter what Bush and Fox says, the Bush administration is implementing a
    anti-business, anti-powerful US, an US economic decline.
     
    Jack May, Jan 20, 2006
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