Hybrid Civic

Discussion in 'Civic' started by billnech, Dec 10, 2004.

  1. billnech

    billnech Guest

    The other day, I had an opportunity to drive a 2003 Honda Civic Hybrid
    from Albany, NY to Watertown, NY and back...about 360 miles total. My
    personal car is a 1998 Honda Civic sedan, so the cars were quite
    similar in size and feel. This is the first time that I have ever had
    an extended ride in a hybrid, and the first time I have driven one,
    with the exception of a quick run around the block in a friend's new
    Toyota Prius.

    The Civic hybrid is identical inside to the standard Civic sedan. In
    other words, for a compact car, it offers substantial comfort and room,
    including more legroom in the back seat than many mid or full sized
    cars. The trunk remains fairly roomy, though some of the space is taken
    up by the hybrid battery pack.


    The car accelerates wonderfully with the battery assist...much better
    than my conventional Civic, which in turn accelerates well. There is no
    hesitation, slowing or increased RPM on upgrades, as the battery
    assists kicks in to maintain speed without taxing the engine. In local
    traffic, the car shuts off while stopped and then accelerates instantly
    with the battery assist when you hit the gas. In short, it was a
    pleasure to drive, with Honda's wonderful handling along with excellent
    acceleration.


    On the dashboard, there is a gage that deals with the hybrid details.
    It indicates the level of battery charge and indicates whether and how
    much the battery is charging or assisting. The latter is with an
    electronic dial that swings one way then the other...fascinating to
    watch. There is also a toggle between two different trip mileage
    settings and the car's odometer. You can reset either trip mileage
    setting at any time and the car will compute the average miles per
    gallon since the reset.

    The car is advertised to get about 48 miles per gallon. The trip
    mileage calculator started low as the car took a little time to charge
    up the battery, and then took off. While on the Thruway to Utica, it
    told me that I was averaging about 38 miles per gallon. While on the
    slower Route 12 to Watertown, the average eventually went up to 41
    miles per gallon. It does better at lower speeds than at 70, and
    better still in stop and go traffic.

    But I wonder about a few things associated with the calculated trip
    mileage.

    I thought the mileage should have been better. A few thoughts on that.
    One, the entire trip was in wet windy weather. The headlights,
    windshield wipers, heater and radio were on at all times. That may have
    decreased the battery load running the car. Plus the windy day may have
    knocked down the gas mileage. Second, the car had 60,000 miles on it so
    perhaps the battery is not as efficient as it ages.

    An alternative explanation is that the average miles per gallon read
    out may not have been accurate. I did not refill the gas tank upon
    returning the car...fleet management takes care of that. So I didn't
    have the opportunity to actually calculate gas mileage. After 360
    miles, the gas gage still registered a quarter of a tank. And a Civic
    has about a 12-gallon tank. So the actual mileage may have been higher.
    Though 9 gallons for 360 miles still averages 40 miles per gallon.
    There has indeed been talk that actual hybrid mileage rates are
    somewhat lower than advertised. I certainly have a topic of
    conversation when I get together with my friend the Prius owner later
    today.


    One other thought. While cruising down the Thruway at 70, I expected
    the battery assist to take over periodically. It didn't except for when
    accelerating or on upgrades, even though it was fully charged. When
    coasting down a downgrade, the meter would go into "charging" mode. I
    don't know if this is normal, if it simply doesn't register cruising
    assistance from the battery, or if perhaps this is something that
    changed with the aging of the vehicle.

    Still, it was a very enjoyable car to drive and when it's time to
    replace my 98 Civic in another four years, I'll certainly consider a
    hybrid.
     
    billnech, Dec 10, 2004
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  2. billnech

    muzz Guest

    On 10 Dec 2004 13:07:33 -0800, wrote:


    For your info - I have a 2004 hybrid with 5000 miles on it. The
    last two tanks of gas got me 34 mpg, with no a/c. I'm super
    disappointed in it.
     
    muzz, Dec 11, 2004
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  3. billnech

    marcel Guest

    wrote in
    my '99 civic 1.5 vtec-e uses less fuel then the hybrid, when used outside
    town

    marcel
     
    marcel, Dec 12, 2004
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  4. billnech

    marcel Guest

    civic 3 door hatch 1.5 vtec-e : 40 mpg or 17 km/l

    civic sedan or 5 door hatch does about the same

    marcel
     
    marcel, Dec 12, 2004
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  5. I drive from Danbury CT to Westbury NY everyday, possible 6 times a week.
    My 2003 Civic EX doing 75 pmh will get 33 mpg if I use the cruise control to
    excellerate and slow down. First set of front brakes lasted 55,000, I
    change the oil every 5000 miles along with the tire rotation. Go figure,
    why buy a hybrid--the honda salesman talked me out of it.
     
    James M. Kelly, Dec 15, 2004
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  6. billnech

    Me Guest

    Up until about 160,000 miles, I was getting well over 40 mpg
    regardless of highway speed in my 1994 Civic DX. My personal best was
    a tank driving across Tennessee where I got 48.5 mpg. Now I average
    about 36-38 mpg at 182,000 miles. My very worst tank was 32mpg which
    was entirely city driving, popping the clutch and running to the next
    red light :).

    Nate
     
    Me, Dec 15, 2004
    #6
  7. Hybrids are still in an early phase of development. To provide any benefit
    on freeways will require the electric technology (battery, controller,
    motor) being advanced to the point that the fueled power plant can be
    downsized significantly - say, to 50 hp or less. The essence of
    hybridization is to separate acceleration performance from engine power, and
    today's systems don't provide a large separation. In addition, to accomodate
    freeway speeds over mountain passes will take another trick - yet to be
    determined.

    We have had a 2002 Toyota Prius for just over 2 years, and we love it. The
    Toyota system is different from the Honda IMA, particularly in that the
    engine is totally under control of the hybrid system computer. (If I floor
    the accelerator in park or neutral, the engine speed slowly rises to about
    2000 rpm over the span of a minute or two.) There is also no transmission -
    what Toyota calls an "electronic CVT" is composed of a pair of electric
    motor/generators and a planetary differential arrangement. We average about
    50 mpg around town in the summer and 45-48 mpg in the winter. The in-town
    acceleration is great, especially so because our 7000 ft elevation cuts more
    powerful cars down to size. The electric side of the Prius doesn't breathe
    hard at altitude - it doesn't breathe at all. But at 75 mph the economy
    drops into the low 40s (even below 40 against a headwind), down from 60 or
    better at 65 mph. I canna change the laws of physics.

    Hybrid technology certainly is one to watch. Honda isn't as aggressive about
    developing it as Toyota is, but they are interested in the performance side
    of it. Check out the DualNote concept car:
    http://www.you.com.au/news/979.htm (Except they describe the Prius as "super
    lightweight" - the pre-2004 model is actually heavier than the equivalent
    sized Corolla.)

    Mike

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Dec 15, 2004
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  8. billnech

    Jason Guest

    Mike,
    Great post. I read an article in a car magazine indicating that several
    American companies are now placing hybrid engines in full sized trucks and
    full sized SUVs. I believe that hybrid engines should result in the world
    oil supply lasting much longer than some experts have predicted.
     
    Jason, Dec 15, 2004
    #8
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