Hybrid Fuel Cost Comparison

We have no allowances for off peak usage that I know of.

 

We have no allowances for off peak usage that I know of.[/QUOTE]

You should investigate alternate electric providers, if available.

 

Not accounting for storage losses and drivetrain inefficiency, I would
estimate that $0.20/KWH equates to gas at $0.80 to 1.60 per gallon.

 

You should investigate alternate electric providers, if available.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I have. They are all within about $.01-.005 per KWH. The deregulation
smells of collusion.

 

Now THERE'S a surprise.... They spend more money telemarketing than
they do hedging/risk managing and driving down supply chain costs.

 

It isn't collusion, it's fraud. The, so called, alternate electric
providers don't provide anything except an alternate address to mail
your check to. The electricity they sell you is purchased from the
old provider and brought to your house by the old provider. How can
it be much cheaper than the electricity the old company sells to you?

Here's a dirty little secret they don't tell you. In order to get a
slightly cheaper rate, they sign interruptible contracts with the
generating company. If there is a shortage of power your electricity
is shut off.

You better look into the gift horse's mouth if you know what's good
for you.

Jack

 

Aha, so on the same aerial plant, the electrons bypass houses of AEP
customers, but keep going to traditional utility customers!

How do you suppose they do that?

 

I guess the bad battery packs of Thiettranh of Concord CA (9/21/04) or
Ray Molton's Priuses don't count. I'd just wait for the GM-BMW-
Mercedes two-mode hybrid to come off the production line. IMO it's a
superior system that's been tested in city buses since 2003.


http://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/toyota_prius_battery.html

"Ray Molton, who works in the real estate industry in Houston, Texas.
Ray wrote, "My 2001 Toyota Prius lasted five years and 113,000 miles.
And then the batteries seemed to die. My dealer estimated the
replacement cost at $7,000. They recommended scrapping the car for
parts."

Ray told me that Toyota had been "no help whatsoever on this issue."
He called another dealer only to discover a larger estimate of $8,000
to $9,000. Even worse, Ray discovered that the Toyota shop had another
2001 Prius with a bad battery. Maybe there is a conspiracy brewing,
after all. In a follow-up email, Ray wrote, "Toyota doesn't want these
battery issues to get out to the public. How could there be two 2001
Priuses in the same shop at the same time, if they have had no
problems with the batteries?"

To make matters worse, Ray bought a salvage Prius battery to soften
the damage to his pocketbook--only to discover that the salvage
battery's #13 cell was corroded, the same #13 cell that had a problem
on his Prius."

 

Or Toyota doesn't have to replace the bad battery packs because when
there is a problem, it recommends the owner to scrap the car.
Ouch!!!!!


Ray Molton, who works in the real estate industry in Houston, Texas.
Ray wrote
[snip]
"My 2001 Toyota Prius....My dealer estimated the replacement cost at
$7,000. They recommended scrapping the car for parts."

Ray wrote, "Toyota doesn't want these battery issues to get out to the
public. How could there be two 2001
Priuses in the same shop at the same time, if they have had no
problems with the batteries?"

 

My entrance has a box controlled by "carrier current" transmissions. In the
summer when A/C's are all running, all over, on an extremely hot day, my A/C
will shut down for short periods. The saving isn't much but I rarely notice
my house getting warmer. My KWH here is about $0.08. I've switched to heat
pump & electric heat over heat pump & oil this year to see if there are any
savings.

Mr Ed
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And your lights dim, too?

All your UPS brownout trigger?

 

Why pass on any savings to the end consumer? Get what the market will bear.

 

Addressable by IP address electrons?

 

Far be it for me to defend the electric companies, but this
interruptible power issue is clearly bullshit. The only way for them
to cut off your power without cutting off your neighbor (who may be
their customer) is to come to your house and do it. I can't see the
power company coming out in trucks during a shortage to disconnect
every home on their non-customer list.

 

You are wrong.

I have had interruptible power in my home here since 1979 when we moved in.

The electric company put two systems in the house.

1. Interrupts the Air Conditioner.

2. The Hot Water Heater

3. The Electric Heat.

4. The pool pump motor.

When they need to turn off one of my systems they send a code out and the
power to that system is interrupted for the contracted time.

The system has been working since 1979.

Florida Power and Light has paid me a good penny over the years....LOL

 

But you didn't finish the story. Ray ended up having the corroded
cell cleaned up and reinstalled and the car ran like new again. If
Ray had found a knowledgeable and honest service facility to start
with, the problem would have been fixed in a few hours for maybe a
couple hundred dollars.

<http://www.hybridcars.com/technology-stories/battery-replacement-costs.html>

-- quote --

I shared Ray's story with my friend, Craig Van Batenburg, a master
hybrid technician who conducts workshops with independent service
shops around the country. "This is exactly why I am training indy
techs to work on these cars," Craig said. "It is not a problem with
the nickel metal hydride cells, but a corroded connection. This is
common with any electrical connector on any part of any car. The
dealerships don’t fix the connections. They replace the entire hybrid
battery."

So Ray’s ordeal wasn’t caused by a failure of new hybrid battery
technology - those batteries will last the life of the vehicle and
will help save hundreds of gallons of gasoline for their owners. And
the next generation of lithium ion batteries may be one of the keys to
weaning America off its dependence on oil. The root of Ray's problems
stemmed from an ordinary corroded connection, the failure of a huge
corporation to respond to one of their customers, and the willingness
of a local car dealership to profit handsomely from a problem rather
than fix it at a reasonable cost. Unfortunately, these stories are
just as hidden in the media as all of those so-called "hidden costs"
of owning a hybrid.

-- end quote --

 

Which makes the concept and implementation a fraud on the public.

No wonder it gets pushed so heavily.

 

With a network interface on your aerial drop? No.

With multiple network interfaces in your home? Possibly, if digital
signals pass the various dropping transformers, or with a split wiring
system in your home. Not that I've heard of such.

 

There's no

Probably used coca cola to clean the battery terminals =)
Nice link. Thanks

 

Only my A/C shuts down for short periods. No brown outs. I know the power
Co. often lowers the voltage on hot days, but they are aware that
synchronous motors & Compressors, trying to maintain the same power, will
draw "more" amperage not less. Resistive loads will draw less.

Mr Ed
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