[QUOTE="Spazpop2000"] Well, I don't know if I'd go so far as to call the Civic FE the "average" car of 1983; I'm betting that most cars of that year (era) weighed more, had a larger displacement engine, seated/hauled more people/cargo... [/QUOTE] The FE weighed more than the Civic DX (Higher trim level) [QUOTE] Even if you were to narrow down your field of vehicles (like big gov does when applying the CAFE regulations), the FE wasn't even the "average" Civic in 1983, was it? Seems to me (and I could be wrong on this, so forgive me if I am), the FE stands for "Fuel Efficient", which means it had to have SOME concessions with regard to the "average" Civic (smaller engine, smaller wheels, narrower tires, lack of some amenities for weight savings, etc.). [/QUOTE] Actually, the FE sported the same features of the 1500 SI including tach, extar insulation, 13" wheels etc. but had the 1300 engine instead. I have an '82 Civic four speed as well and that was a very basic car. The FE is two trim levels higher. Yes, the 1300 engine was rehashed for '82/83 for the FE and was the forunner of the 1300 CRX that would follow that boasted very high MPG figures. [QUOTE] I'm not knocking your car, just validating your argument. The FE was the 80s attempt at obtaining better fuel efficiency. The hybrids of today are approaching the same problem from a different perspective. The important thing to remember is that, whether you agree with one particular approach or not, the *effort* to improve mileage is to be commended, not slammed. If you really want to start a bragging war- I ride my bike to/from the grocery store= INFINITY mpg (and bikes were invented long before the FE)... [/QUOTE] The big thing here is that I own the car outright... No banker riding in the back seat. Also, as I stated in a previous post, it is much more user friendly when it comes to maintenance and repair. Right now the car has less than 120K and these were 300K vehicles provided they were maintained properly. This may well be my last car so long nobody whacks it.. JT