Hybrid War: Honda vs Toyota

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by rtc, Mar 30, 2009.

  1. rtc

    mrv Guest

    Back when the redesigned 2004 Prius came out in fall 2003, I remember
    commenting on how the new Prius looked like the existing Honda Insight
    and the existing Toyota Prius had a baby that was bigger than either
    of the parents... So the current NHW20 Prius looks a lot like both
    the older NHW11 Prius and the original Honda Insight. So it's no
    surprise to me that the newly redesigned Honda Insight looks a lot
    like the Prius (especially since the aerodynamic designs are so
    similar).

    The current Honda Civic Hybrid II is able to move short distances
    without turning on the gasoline engine. The older HCH (pre 2006 or
    so) had the same IMA setup as the previous Honda Insight.
     
    mrv, Apr 18, 2009
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    mrv Guest

    The 2004-2005 NWH20 Prius will reset the Consumption Screen
    odometer/MPG at each fillup (more than about 3 gallons) automatically
    (after one full revolution of the wheel?), or if you manually hit the
    Reset button.

    The 2006-2009 NHW20 Prius will only reset the Consumption Screen
    odometer at each fillup automatically (same conditions as 2004-
    2005). The Consumption Screen odometer/MPG will reset if you
    manually hit the Reset button. (The cumulative MPG will only reset
    if you press the Reset button.)
    You have 12 presets for FM and 6 presets for AM. How many more would
    you like?
    That's the speed rating of the temporary spare tire. Stock Goodyear
    Integrity tires are S-rated, which is for sustained speeds up to
    112mph (which is faster than the Prius can actually go).
     
    mrv, Apr 18, 2009
    #42
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    mrv Guest

    I do recommend reading:
    http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/autos/aut12.shtm
    US Federal Trade Commission's Facts for Consumers - "The Low-Down on
    High Octane Gasoline"

    You should use whatever the owner's manual recommends. (For a US
    Prius, that's 87 octane (regular), under the (R+M)/2 method (as posted
    at the gas pumps), which is about 91 octane under the RON method.) If
    your car is experiencing engine knock, then you should go up a grade
    in octane. (But if your Prius IS knocking, something is wrong with
    it!)

    (To note, Prius in the UK use 95 octane (RON method, which equates to
    about 91 octane ((R+M)/2 method) in the US).)

    Octane is a measure of the fuel's ability to resist pre-detonation (or
    engine knock).

    Higher octane gasoline doesn't mean that it is necessarily cleaner or
    better. "Premium" or "super" is a mis-nomer. All gasoline sold in the
    US must meet certain federal EPA clean-burning guidelines. However,
    some individual brands _may_ decide to put some extra cleaners or do
    extra refining in their higher-octane fuel (as I've heard of some
    brands advertising low-sulfur gasoline as only in their Premium line).

    A higher octane gasoline actually has lower BTUs (energy content) than
    a lower octane gasoline, so the only way that you'd see better fuel
    economy by going up in octane is if you were previously using lower
    than recommended octane in your car...

    In the Toyota Prius, using higher than recommended octane fuel is
    known to cause check engine lights with engine misfire codes, besides
    the expected lower fuel economy.

    (Ethanol also has a lower BTU content than does gasoline, so you can
    expect to see slightly lower fuel economy using E10 fuel. The Prius
    is not a flex-fuel vehicle, so do not use E85 in it (unless you want
    check-engine lights and the potential for corroding out your fuel
    system!)

    If you live in a high altitude area (like the Rocky Mountains) usually
    you can use the next octane level down from what is listed in the
    owner's manual because of the altitude/thin air with no ill effects
    (except if you come down from the altitude with a full tank!).

    Reasons to use higher octane fuel:
    1. Your owners manual calls for it
    2. Your engine is knocking
    3. It's the only way to get low-sulfur fuel in your area (sulfur will
    slowly poison your catalyst, making emissions worse over time)
    4. You like spending extra money on gasoline

    See also:
    Premium vs. Regular : http://cartalk.com/content/features/premium/
     
    mrv, Apr 18, 2009
    #43
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    Was Istoben Guest

    The 2004-2005 NWH20 Prius will reset the Consumption Screen
    odometer/MPG at each fillup (more than about 3 gallons) automatically
    (after one full revolution of the wheel?), or if you manually hit the
    Reset button.

    The 2006-2009 NHW20 Prius will only reset the Consumption Screen
    odometer at each fillup automatically (same conditions as 2004-
    2005). The Consumption Screen odometer/MPG will reset if you
    manually hit the Reset button. (The cumulative MPG will only reset
    if you press the Reset button.)

    I have a 2005. If I read you correctly a later model would let me
    accumulate a lifetime mileage figure by not hitting the reset button but
    still let me see the number of miles on each tank. I could, therefore,
    reset my trip odometer at the same time I reset my cumulative mpg and get
    cumulative mileage figures for much longer periods like, for example, the
    5000 miles between oil changes. Right?
     
    Was Istoben, Apr 18, 2009
    #44
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    Al Sherman Guest

    That is theoretically true, but I have my doubts about how reliably this
    would be calculated. Does anyone have information on exactly how the
    calculation is done?
     
    Al Sherman, Apr 19, 2009
    #45
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