[QUOTE="ACAR"] It is not representative of real-world conditions, nor of a mid-sized FWD sedan.[/QUOTE] I hear you. I for one appreciate the data for what it does tell me. [QUOTE] I lump all the mid-sized FWD sedans together when reading the reviews.[/QUOTE] Okay. I don't do that, but I hear you. [QUOTE] And these folks would post comments to The Tire Rack?[/QUOTE] Dude...that wasn't a literal statement. [QUOTE] These comments are usually obvious.[/QUOTE] yet they affect the "rating" and that's a fact. [QUOTE] Really? I haven't used chains since I left Colorado. ! Sometimes. The high performance RS-A is The Tire Rack's comparison standard.[/QUOTE] Which they rated lower than the Pilot HX MXM4. [QUOTE] Sure you are. ..... You are obviously happy with the tires. Great.[/QUOTE] You missed the whole point of this conversation, man... [QUOTE] On the other hand, if you've never had your tires slip, you are not really a "spirited" driver.[/QUOTE] Thats not an absolute statement, thats for sure. [QUOTE] There are nearly 900 comments posted for the Michelin Pilot HX MXM4 and about 27 Million miles accumulated by reviewers. Consider the possibility that this sampling includes more than just the idiots you suppose it does.[/QUOTE] I have. The problem is that the affected ratings don't differentiate between the two. [QUOTE] Keep us posted on how well the tires do as they wear.[/QUOTE] I expect them to last only 30,000 or so anyway....and Im sure I will be using something different when I get my next set. I prefer Goodyears tires, fwiw. Peace, Polfus