Ignition timing question...?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Matt Ion, Oct 16, 2005.

  1. Matt Ion

    Matt Ion Guest

    This should initiate some good debate...

    I've always understood that ignition timing should be set with any
    advance systems (vacuum diaphragm, etc.) disconnected. I tried to set
    up my '87 Accord that way, and I can't get anywhere near the 20-degree
    timing mark with the vacuum advance disonnected. Leaving the vacuum
    line attached, it jumps right close to the 2-degree mark and seems to
    run well, if missing a little "jump". Oddly enough, when I accidentally
    took a test drive while forgetting to reconnect the vacuum line, it seem
    to have a lot better pick-up when I punched the gas...

    Anyway, I'm looking in the shop manual... the directions say to
    disconnect, test, and then plug the vacuum lines, then goes on to list
    the proper timing settings for various engine/transmission setups, never
    specifying that one should reconnect the vacuum lines, and describes how
    to adjust the timing by twisting the distributor. So far so good...

    BUT... all the diagrams show the vacuum lines still attached... AND the
    next step tells how to check the cold-advance operation (on engines that
    have it), while the following step THEN tells you to disconnect the
    vacuum hose(s), plug them, and then check the timing with an advance
    meter, listing way lower advance settings than the previous chart.

    Example: the first chart
    (http://moltenimage.com/freebies/g3accord/engine_electrical/24-4.JPG)
    shows that the A20A2s should be anywhere from 10+/-2 to 20+/-2 degrees
    (depending on variant and transmission) - it doesn't specifically say
    the advance lines should or shouldn't be connected, but you see in an
    earlier step that they have been disconnected and not reconnected.
    Meanwhile, the subsequent step
    (http://moltenimage.com/freebies/g3accord/engine_electrical/24-5.JPG)
    says after disconnecting and plugging the hoses, all A20A2s should be 4
    degrees.

    So what's the story? Experience indicates that timing should be checked
    and set to 20 degrees (there's an actual "20-degree" mark on the
    flywheel) WITH the main advance line connected. Old-school knowledge,
    however, suggests that the line should be disconnected and plugged, but
    when I do that, it's impossible to get anywhere near 20 degrees (and
    really, old-school knowledge suggests that 20 degrees BTDC is an
    *insane* amount of advance for ANY engine).

    I've seen this topic generate a lot of debate on a couple boards over
    which is the proper procedure... just wondering what the concensus is in
    these parts?
     
    Matt Ion, Oct 16, 2005
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