Import owners are to blame for the recession

Are you referring to all of the American made Toyotas that are built with
'world sourced parts' or the over 55% of the Toyotas that they import?
LOL

 

Gladly!

 

I can show you Suburbans with 300,000 miles on them.

But it's an exception. Lots of Japanese cars reach 300,000 easily.

Keep slugging away, though. You might convince someone other than yourself.

 

I'm sure it more than makes up for it in operation.

Nice try, though! Keep telling us how bad Japanese cars are. you might
convince yourself...

 

Yet they still can't turn a profit. Even funnier.

"We lose money on every sale... but we make it up in volume!"

 

He posted this earlier when I questioned him on that point:

Apparently his CPA pulls facts out of his ass too.

 

No, he means that they were too pig headed to do market forecasting
and realize that things were going to change. As a business person,
you have to sell what people want, but you also have to invest so that
you are ready to sell what they will want in the future. Typically,
your investment in the future costs you some sales today because your
resources are limited. As a smart business person, you know you can't
ignore what's coming just to reap short term profits.

I haven't sat in on their board meetings so I don't know for sure. I'd
suspect that they feel they can make a profit where GM can't. Or
perhaps they figure GM is on its way out and they will have the market
to themselves when GM is gone. Or maybe they think that people will
buy a high quality product in deference to a lower quality one and
they will profit on volume. Or maybe they feel it will enhance their
entire line by being a "one stop" shopping source.

Regardless, no matter what Toyota does, it does not excuse GM's
business stupidity.

 

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:52:23 -0500, Hachiroku ???? <>
wrote:

I'm no Prius fan, but this part of your posting is outdated. Do some
research:

 

What's changed? New source for the nickle?

 

The area around Sudbury, Ontario was a disaster back in the 1970s. It
has since become a model for environmental restoration and has
received multiple awards (long before the Prius hit the production
line).

As for the basic premise about the Prius vs. the Hummer, the story is
full of factual errors and distortions. Read a little more here:
http://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/200711/mrgreen_mailbag.asp Don't
accept the facts they post. cross check the numbers and read the
studies behind them.

 

Interesting.

 

Sure. They're better off giving $5000 to buy a Toyota built in Kentucky,
than a Ford built in Mexico. Toyota is also shutting down production at
its factories in the U.S. due to the slow down, but since they are much
better managed they're not in danger of bankruptcy.

 

Why do you think it interesting jsb?

 

Because it was a huge money pit. Designing and tooling vehicles that are
sold in one market in relatively low quantities didn't work. And in any
case, they didn't give up on Saturn, they just no longer let them do
designs for only Saturn.

Yeah, Saturn was a great way for everyone to pay too much for mediocre
vehicles, just to have the satisfaction that no one paid less than you
for the same car (and even that wasn't really true because many Saturn
dealers did sell for under MSRP, which they were allowed to do to meet
"market conditions").

For a few years, Saturn maintained the illusion of being a
Japanese-car-killer, until reality caught up in terms of oil burning,
cracked blocks, etc.

Does Saturn still adhere to the "no haggling" police, at least publicly?
The Saturn dealer in my area is long gone.

 

Because you can't possibly understand the numbers in the article.

 

As a multi-H1 Hummer owner, I can assure you that many H1s are over
100K, and I know of a number that are much, much higher. They (the H1)
will go 300K without any trouble at all (normal maintenance)however I
won't/can't speak for the H2/H3s.

Most vehicles will go 300K with good maint. The Prius has a *design
life* of 100K miles.

 

To be fair, I think most cars do. Most original owners don't keep a car
for 100K miles. The only road vehicles I know of that really seem to be
designed for the long haul are heavy trucks and German cars.

nate

 

Give us your synopsis of the numbers jsb. In plain language and in your
own unfettered words, what do they mean? Please explain to us in your
acrimonious platitudes of course, etc....and blah blah, ect etc, more
blah, blah.

Waiting, patiently.

 

When do you think this 100K design trend began? I'm just curious.

 

When they decided that 50K design lives were too short.