Increasing fuel mileage by injecting ether.

It shuts off the fuel line in most cars, but also slows you down
something fierce!

 

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 17:34:27 -0400, "Proctologically Violated©®"

Ahm *hopin* they were steel-belted radials! If the
60 psi
wasn't for show room flat spots, then I have no idea what the 60 psi
was
for. All four tires were 60, pretty much on the nose. Go figger.
The ride was "sporty" to say the least. But mebbe
I'll try
it again, for a few more mpg's!
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Mr. P.V.'d
formerly Droll Troll

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My civic had the same 60 psi on all four tires. Called the dealer the
next day to complain. They said they forgot to check the tires and
that they were inflated to 60 for transportation. Chains that secure
the wheels on the truck are used and the tires must not flex.

Still max pressure is 44 psi, right on the tire.

Bye,
Leon

 

air has to go somewhere. ive got a road bike that runs 130psi tires, and
they need topping off twice a week. so its either diffusing thru the
rubber, or thru a leak in the valve stem or something.

 

Most, if not all new practical cars have shut off. At 40 mpg you save
about 0.00625 gallon when decelerating from 75 mph. A drop in the
bucket but going in neutral waste throw bearing, brakes pads on a
decline or just ruins engine mounts for everyday driving.

A rule of thumb: speed up briskly but gently, stay in gear, and slow
down (fiercely) using engine braking then brake to stop.

Rick

 

No, what the sad part is, is that people are going to believe that 100%
nitrogen diffuses through the tire at a slower rate than plain old air that
a compressor sucks out of the atmosphere.

Plain old air is 78% nitrogen.

Ted

 

ok then... so why nitrogen? or why not?

are nitrogen molecules bigger than oxygen molecules?
would that make a difference?
why do shock absorbers use a nitrogen charge?
wouldnt a charge of regular air work 78% as well?

all my tires have plain old air in em. if given a choice between the
two, for no extra charge, why not choose nitrogen?

 

You are the first person to mention nitrogen diffusion! It's oxygen that I
said diffuses out.

And I have corrected your attributions as well.

 

Depending on the tranny. If you are in a slushy in OD there is hardly
any engine braking.

Harry K

 

(Ricky Spartacus) wrote in

I once read an article where Jay Leno talks about these. He said that
racers use Nitrogen because it doesn't have as much pressure variance as
the tire heats up, which makes "set it and forget it" possible. Otherwise
the tire might pop like John Kerry's hopes for the presidency.

You'd have to be some kind of flaming idiot to buy one of these for a Honda
Civic though.

Can't post, will feed the troll. . . Can't post, will feed the troll. . .
Rodney

 

It might reduce your gas consumption, but I've heard it causes a sharp
spike in your ether consumption. Still, it is handy to have a supply of
ether available. In case you want to huff it. Or a lawnmower needs
starting.

If you want more power, just dump a bucket of gas into your throttle body.
This creates a super-rich mixture which is good for some reason. I
frequently bounce off the wheelie bars in my '95 TC using this approach.

Can't post, will feed the troll. . . Can't post, will feed the troll. . .
Rodney

 

No. Oxygen atoms are bigger by 1 proton. Nitrogen and Oxygen are
elements.

Because Nitrogen, unlike Oxygen, does not react with everything. Oxygen
likes to bind up with different elements it finds. You charge a shock with
air, or worse, pure oxygen, and it will rust from the inside out.

People think that water creates rust, this is incorrect. What water does
is merely act as a carrier for other agents, such as salt, oxygen, and such,
to cause the rust.

You can for example take a metal part and throw it in a peat bog at
the bottom of the bog, where it is immersed in water, then pull it out
a month later and there will be little to no rust in it. The reason is that
at that level, there's so much bacteria in the water that it sucks all the
oxygen out of the water.

The same thing happens with shipwrecks that land in deep ocean areas.
At that depth there is so little light that the plants and living creatures
in
the water cannot use photosynthesis to create energy so they burn oxygen
out of the seawater, as a result the seawater has little dissolved oxygen
in it, and the shipwrecks do not rust away very quickly.

The holes in tires that air leaks through are far, far, larger than the
difference between the sizes of nitrogen and oxygen atoms.

How would pure nitrogen be the same cost as air from an air compressor?
This is kind of rediculous. The point of the original post was that some
guy
is making six thousand dollars a pop off people who don't know enough basic
chemistry to know they are being scammed. Just like the guy making $20 a
pop off selling magnets to people who don't know enough to bother to
look up fuel chemistry in an internal combustion engine.

The original post was made to give a little humor, because the poster
assumed
that everyone in this forum would have enough basic knowledge to see
immediately
that it was an elaborate scam. Frankly when I first went to the website I
thought
it was a website put together in pure jest. If you didn't see this right
away, you might
consider taking some basic science classes at a community college. Once you
begin to
understand how the world really works, cars and bikes and whatnot will no
longer be mysterious black boxes with wheels that go when you press a petal.
You will find that you enjoy working on them far, far more when you
understand how they really work.
It's really a better way to live, trust me.

Ted

 

It's still a scam, though. If this is really a concern the racers can get
Helium
tanks at any party supply store and use them far cheaper than some $6K
compressor. Helium has even less pressure variance than Nitrogen.

And I don't see them dragging this thing to the races, either. Any welding
supply store can sell Nitrogen in a pressure tank which is a lot more
portable
and a lot cheaper.

Racers are a funny breed. It is true that most of the tricks they use do
have a
solid basis in fact. But not all of them. Race teams are so competitive
that they
usually cannot resist trying out every go fast product that someone comes
out
with. Statistically, some of these products will be installed during an
exceptional
race or timed run, and it doesen't take much to get a myth started about how
some
product shaves a second off your run when in reality it does nothing. And
once
you get the race team convinced the product works, from that point on any
test
they do of it will be interpreted as supporting the myth that it helps.

Ted

 

Actually racers use Nitrogen because of a few reasons. One, is that they
are familiar with it's expansion rates at various temperatures, which
means the alteration in the tires spring rate is a known item. Two, no
impurities in the nitrogen to cause problems when the temperature
changes. Three, tanks are high pressure and portable, meaning that they
only have to carry a couple tanks to the pits. Four, it's cheap and
non-toxic. Five, since it doesn't react with many things it is safer
than most other gasses and won't cause a problem when a tire fails or a
tank ruptures.

Oh and it has more uses than just filling the tires. We use it to power
the lug guns and the pressurized water tank (used to force water into
the engine when it is HOT),
--
Steve Williams

However 6 grand is WAY too steep. You only need a tank of nitrogen and a
regulator unit. The regulator will run about 150.00 for a good one.
We use a Smith unit.

 

There is a tire place near me that fills up your tires with nitrogen
on request. It's not free, even if you buy tires from them, but I
don't think it will be more than $10-20. Problem is that if you do
fill up with nitrogen you have to check the "air" in your tires only
at that place. It is anal but some people are.

It is correctly stated that nitrogen is used by racers to minimize
pressure variation due to (extreme) temperatures. "Air" is humid and
that contributes to large pressure variation under racing conditions.
A nitrogen fill is supposed to be humidity free.

Bye,
Leon

 

Troll!

=plonk!=

 

The amazing thing is, this really works! Not only that, but adding a
healthy dose of almost *any* highly combustible hydrocarbon to your
engine will save on gas! So, you priced ether by the gallon lately?

 

Well, maybe a little. But it would favor leaking Nitrogen over
Oxygen. The truth is that if there is any difference in the
permeation rate, the tire will tend to build up a concentration of the
retained gas as it leaks and is refilled with air. If the retained
gas was oxygen, that might be bad for a number of reasons. This might
be the argument; that you fill the tire with N2 to keep the O2 from
building up. Of course, the N2 will leak faster than air so you will
have to keep filling it with N2 to prevent this hazardous situation.

I saw the N2 fill promotion at a big box store (Costco? Target?) - if
you bought tires they filled them with N2. Couldn't find any
explanation as to why that was desirable. To play devil's advocate,
it is certainly possible (likely even) that different gases would have
some effect on the behavior of the tire due to such properties as
weight, viscosity, thermal expansion and transfer. I could easily
believe that you could tell the difference between Hydrogen and Radon
for instance. But I would think the difference between N2 and air
would be vanishingly small.

What do F1 teams use?

 

Nitrogen.

 

Bugger that. Diethyl ether is expensive.
It is the main ingredient is cold starting
fluid (aerosol products). Furthermore, it
has a VERY low octane value. So does its
cousin, dimethyl ether.

http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=103758

Case in point: Methyl tertiary butyl ether (MTBE)
has already been added to fuel, and now it is being
banned! It has created more problems than it has solved
Did MTBE improve fuel economy? No.
Did it reduce emissions? No.
Perfect fuel, my ass!

However, ether DOES have some value, for the REAL
losers, to wit:
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=11308


Here's a free clue (please get this one):

Try water injection.
It's controversial, at best, because it effectively
raises compression ratio, while diluting the charge,
as opposed to supercharging for performance, but at
least it doesn't constitute TOTAL STUPIDITY.

 

Try a custom mixture of radon, hydrazine, methyl bromide, and ozone.
This will SURELY reduce your tire pressure over time!

<g,r,d>

Yes, I am just kidding.
DON'T DO IT!