Is "the distributor" a bolt-on modular item?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Dave O, Jan 8, 2007.

  1. Dave O

    Dave O Guest

    95 Integra GSR; 160k miles

    This past Friday on the way to work the car stalled and wouldn't
    re-start. SInce it was rainy and I had a wet-weather start problem some
    years ago I thought it might have been the distributor cap, so I
    replaced that; when the car still wouldn't start I had it towed to a
    nearby fixit place.

    Their diagnosis was: the distributor had failed. They estimated $500
    for a new distributor, and I choked and agreed to it.

    Then I looked up distributor replacements for this car on the web and
    saw them ranging from $180 to $320. I called the fixit place back and
    challenged them on it; the desk guy couldn't explain the price
    difference. We agreed to wave off until he could call an Acura place
    for a parts quote, thinking it would be different than their
    after-market supplier's price.

    My question: is the distributor a modular part that bolts into place,
    or is there more to it than this? If it's a fairly simple operation I'm
    tempted to tell these guys to go soak their heads and replace it
    myself.

    I'd appreciate feedback. Thanks!
     
    Dave O, Jan 8, 2007
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  2. Dave O

    jim beam Guest

    soak. totally modular. takes about 5 minutes to replace and maybe
    another 5 to re-time the motor. [you'll need a timing light.] or you
    can repair the original. if the cap and rotor are good, it's the
    igniter or coil. price those separately and see how you feel then.
     
    jim beam, Jan 8, 2007
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  3. Dave O

    Elle Guest

    The distributor's parts are typically the Achille's heel of
    Hondas of this vintage. The cause of an engine not starting
    or stalling is often either the distributor coil,
    distributor igniter, or the rotor falling off, due to a
    rather notorious failed set screw. Now at some point, and
    your car might be there, the housing as a whole develops
    deficiencies. E.g. at its wire harness; at its the seals
    between it and the engine head; the female side of the
    aforementioned screw in the distributor shaft; etc.

    This shop should state exactly what part of the distributor
    they believe to have failed. They should indicate whether
    the job includes a new igniter and new coil. It need not
    necessarily include these.

    It is a fairly simple replacement. It is the parts that
    cost.

    $500 total is not bad if it includes housing, igniter, and
    coil.

    Use ONLY OEM for this job. Aftermarket distributor parts do
    not hold up well with Hondas.

    Consider new OEM ignition wires and a new distributor rotor
    as well.

    From my experience with my 91 Civic and reading here for
    years, Hondas go through at least one distributor housing in
    their lives. My 91 Civic is on its second housing.
     
    Elle, Jan 8, 2007
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  4. Dave O

    Dave O Guest

    Thanks, Jim Beam and Elle, for your thoughts. I'm going down to have a
    chat with them about this now. Honestly I don't trust these guys
    technically (based on some dubious past experience) and I'm tempted to
    tow it away from their shop before I let them get to deeply into it.
     
    Dave O, Jan 8, 2007
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  5. Dave O

    Elle Guest

    Be aware that they may simply be trying to avoid a comeback.
    This is reasonable, IMO.

    I griped several years ago about a shop that insisted the
    problem with my 91 Honda's distributor was the jury-rigged
    fix I'd done on the rotor set screw problem. They slapped a
    new housing (salvaging the old coil and igniter) on. A week
    later the stalling problem I'd been having recurred. Turned
    out a new coil was in fact needed. At the time I figured
    they'd taken me for around $500. In hindsight, though, the
    old housing was pretty beat up, so I am more charitable
    about their decision. Though it still annoys me that they
    had the gall of accusing my jury-rigged fix as being
    unacceptable. Wrong-o. Their first diagnosis was
    extraordinarily unacceptable.
     
    Elle, Jan 8, 2007
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  6. Dave O

    z Guest

    Yeah, been there meself. 92 Honda, won't idle nicely, lopes or stays
    high. I figure, idle speed gadjet like with every other car that has
    this problem, but decide to take it to local mechanic who's pretty
    good. End up with new distributor (not OEM) for $500. Now I have loping
    idle and no VTEC and check engine light. Take it to another mechanic;
    "new" distributor has position sensor broken off inside. Can't be
    something that happened after distributor was assembled. Original
    mechanic can't/won't get refund for me on said distributor; end up
    cannbilizing old distributor. Now car only has lopey idle. Turns out to
    be the idle speed gadget. Wow, what a surprise.
     
    z, Jan 8, 2007
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  7. Dave O

    jim beam Guest

    did you pay by credit card? if so, take it up with the cc card company.
    you can get your money back.
     
    jim beam, Jan 9, 2007
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  8. Dave O

    Big Brother Guest

    well.. that's possible but in the end op might just have to pay up..

    about 20 years ago took my 79 305 camaro into a chevy dealership in
    dallas for noisey lifters..The car idled real rough after the
    replacement of the lifters out of the shop and on the service order was
    listed "needs valve job"..Talked with svc. manager with little resolution..

    took three days later to different chevy dealership and found no
    compression in #1 cylinder. replaced ring set on #1 cylinder and all o.k.

    spoke again with orginial dealer; they said they didn't do anything..

    sent all paperwork into cc company to dispute. they did take off charge..

    6 months later sheriff shows up at my door with a summons to appear in
    small claims court. orginial dealership is suing me for amount of repair.

    go to court. dealer svc mgr sits in the witness stand and simply
    reiterates what I brought car in for and what they did..judge ask me a
    few questions, asked me if i new how lifters were replaced..

    i say yea, from the top..questions the repair of the rings and he says
    that to replace rings you go from the bottom..

    Anyway, bottom line was when you bring the car in for service I signed
    service/repair order that states I agree to pay..Judge orderes me to pay..

    Judge says he sees my point. but I need to sue orginial dealership to
    get my money back..which means I need to prove they messed up..hard to do..

    Rich
     
    Big Brother, Jan 9, 2007
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  9. Dave O

    jim beam Guest

    unfortunate. with a distributor though, you can take it off, give it
    back and have the cc company take care of the rest - hard to do in your
    situation.
     
    jim beam, Jan 9, 2007
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  10. Dave O

    z Guest

    Maybe... situation was, I paid mechanic, mechanic got distributor and
    included it in bill; he didn't want to go back to distributor
    distributor (haha, get it?) with the ziplock bag of parts I handed him;
    I want to keep him on good terms he's still the best mechanic around in
    general, and in the past has been very good about living up to the
    warranty on parts he provided, like a water pump that started to leak
    after 9 months.
     
    z, Jan 10, 2007
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  11. Dave O

    jim beam Guest

    of course - you have to give he back what he gave you - in the condition
    he gave it.
    that's debatable. fixing a honda distributor is quick and simple [and
    cheap] if you know what you're looking at. but if you don't, you
    replace the whole thing.
    is that /his/ warranty or the pump manufacturer warranty??? no way
    would i warranty something i didn't make myself!
     
    jim beam, Jan 11, 2007
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  12. Dave O

    z Guest

    My guess is that he himself was on vacation at the time, and one of his
    henchmen did the work. For one thing, I doubt he himself would have NOT
    identified the idle speed adjust gadget as the problem, since it was
    and since it's the obvious first place to look and since he's a good
    mechanic. I noted at the time that I didn't see him around the shop
    during the dropoff or pickup, which is unusual, but I never suspected
    what it would lead to...
    Well, his position is that since we just left it to him to fix, and he
    decided on the source of the pump, he was therefore responsible. That's
    the usual kind of good service I want to keep him on good terms for,
    despite the one malfunction regarding the distributor.
     
    z, Jan 11, 2007
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