It's official. Manual transmissions are making a comeback.

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Gordon McGrew, Mar 25, 2005.

  1. It's official. You're an idiot.

    Inability to comprehend common, informal English indicates low IQ or
    perhaps unfamiliarity with the language. Either way, you shouldn't be
    giving us English lessons.

    No one else has a problem understanding the phrase, "It's official."
    But then, no one else thinks that the electric clock is robbing their
    car of performance.
     
    Gordon McGrew, Mar 27, 2005
    #81
  2. Gordon McGrew

    Pars Guest

     
    Pars, Mar 28, 2005
    #82
  3. Gordon McGrew

    Pars Guest

     
    Pars, Mar 28, 2005
    #83
  4. But the Accord Hybrid is rather different. As far as I can tell, the
    electric motor is to keep the engine running smoothly when it's
    switching in and out of gas saving modes. The power meter shows little
    activity and the 15 HP electric motor is tiny compared to the 240 HP gas
    motor.
     
    Kevin McMurtrie, Mar 28, 2005
    #84
  5. But the Accord Hybrid is rather different. As far as I can tell, the
    electric motor is to keep the engine running smoothly when it's
    switching in and out of gas saving modes. The power meter shows little
    activity and the 15 HP electric motor is tiny compared to the 240 HP gas
    motor.
     
    Kevin McMurtrie, Mar 28, 2005
    #85
  6. Gordon McGrew

    SoCalMike Guest

    thats kinda cool. i wonder if they can use that in place of balance shafts?
     
    SoCalMike, Mar 28, 2005
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  7. Gordon McGrew

    SoCalMike Guest

    thats kinda cool. i wonder if they can use that in place of balance shafts?
     
    SoCalMike, Mar 28, 2005
    #87
  8. It's probably technically possible but I bet it would eat a lot of power.

    How much does the balancer weigh? The 05 Accord Hybrid engine seems to
    rev up slowly compared to my simple old 97 Civic HX. It's the one thing
    that disappoints me a little - major downshift lag when stepping on the
    gas. It makes me miss a 5 speed manual.
     
    Kevin McMurtrie, Mar 28, 2005
    #88
  9. It's probably technically possible but I bet it would eat a lot of power.

    How much does the balancer weigh? The 05 Accord Hybrid engine seems to
    rev up slowly compared to my simple old 97 Civic HX. It's the one thing
    that disappoints me a little - major downshift lag when stepping on the
    gas. It makes me miss a 5 speed manual.
     
    Kevin McMurtrie, Mar 28, 2005
    #89
  10. Gordon McGrew

    Dave Guest

    True, but note that the vast majority of the time (or at least on
    the wimpy EPA certification cycles!) very little of that 240 hp is
    actually used. To be sure, the Accord is a lot heavier and less
    aerodynamic than the Insight. So it would benefit from a bigger
    battery. But (as you no doubt know) the proportion of battery to
    ICE size doesn't need stay the same as ICE power goes ballistic.
     
    Dave, Mar 28, 2005
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  11. Gordon McGrew

    Dave Guest

    True, but note that the vast majority of the time (or at least on
    the wimpy EPA certification cycles!) very little of that 240 hp is
    actually used. To be sure, the Accord is a lot heavier and less
    aerodynamic than the Insight. So it would benefit from a bigger
    battery. But (as you no doubt know) the proportion of battery to
    ICE size doesn't need stay the same as ICE power goes ballistic.
     
    Dave, Mar 28, 2005
    #91
  12. Gordon McGrew

    dold Guest

    It seems to be exactly the same as the Civic, almost the same as the
    original Insight, and completely different from the Prius and Escape.

    The point about the motor being tiny is true, though. The benefit from
    idle-stop is still there, as is the cleanliness of the engine at initial
    takeoff, where the ICE wouldn't normally be very efficient.
    The Accord IMA produces 12% more hp than the Civic.
     
    dold, Mar 28, 2005
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  13. Gordon McGrew

    dold Guest

    It seems to be exactly the same as the Civic, almost the same as the
    original Insight, and completely different from the Prius and Escape.

    The point about the motor being tiny is true, though. The benefit from
    idle-stop is still there, as is the cleanliness of the engine at initial
    takeoff, where the ICE wouldn't normally be very efficient.
    The Accord IMA produces 12% more hp than the Civic.
     
    dold, Mar 28, 2005
    #93
  14. Gordon McGrew

    dold Guest

    I don't think it would affect the balancer at all. On the other hand,
    there wouldn't be a flywheel, since the IMA is effectively the flywheel.
    That would help smoothness at idle.

    Engine RPM when blipping the throttle could be part "drive by wire".
    There's a lot of computerized engine control involved. The Civic still has
    a throttle cable. I don't know about the Accord. The Ford Escape does
    not. In the Ford, blipping the throttle does absolutley nothing unless you
    go beyond about 2/3 throttle, at which point the RPM climbs rather slowly,
    maybe 2 seconds to 3000 RPM.

    It could also be the heavy flywheel affect of the IMA.
     
    dold, Mar 28, 2005
    #94
  15. Gordon McGrew

    dold Guest

    I don't think it would affect the balancer at all. On the other hand,
    there wouldn't be a flywheel, since the IMA is effectively the flywheel.
    That would help smoothness at idle.

    Engine RPM when blipping the throttle could be part "drive by wire".
    There's a lot of computerized engine control involved. The Civic still has
    a throttle cable. I don't know about the Accord. The Ford Escape does
    not. In the Ford, blipping the throttle does absolutley nothing unless you
    go beyond about 2/3 throttle, at which point the RPM climbs rather slowly,
    maybe 2 seconds to 3000 RPM.

    It could also be the heavy flywheel affect of the IMA.
     
    dold, Mar 28, 2005
    #95
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