It's time to change my Timing Belt on a 95 honda accord v6...

Discussion in 'Accord' started by Zeek, Apr 23, 2007.

  1. Zeek

    Zeek Guest

    It's time to change my Timing Belt on a 95 honda accord v6...I need

    Holder handle 07jab -001020A ,

    holder attachment, 50 mm 07mab -py3010a and

    Socket, 19mm 07jaa-001020a

    Can you tell me where I can find these tools otherthan at Honda?



    tks
     
    Zeek, Apr 23, 2007
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  2. Look over http://tegger.com/hondafaq/cranktool/index.html (and the next
    section about getting the belt on right!)

    The socket is a normal 19 mm socket, but be aware the job is much easier
    with an impact driver, and that requires an impact socket (black). With the
    holder, a long breaker bar and a lot of manly muscles the bolt can be broken
    loose, but your manly muscles will be sore when you finish.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Apr 23, 2007
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  3. I should mention - if you can get ahold of an impact driver and socket (like
    by renting them) you won't need the holder. This is a case of "bigger is
    better" on the driver, though; 400 ft-lbs is about the minimum. I used a 500
    ft-lb pneumatic driver with the regulator right at the tool when we did my
    son's Acura, and it struggled a bit.

    Don't listen to anybody who tries to tell you the bolt can be loosened by
    putting the handle of a socket wrench on a jackstand and hitting the
    starter. The engine turns the wrong way 8^O

    Mike again
     
    Michael Pardee, Apr 23, 2007
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  4. Zeek

    Zeek Guest

    thank you. My problem is finding the tools i listed. Can anyone tell me
    where i can find the TOOLS; other than at Honda?

    Holder handle 07jab -001020A ,

    holder attachment, 50 mm 07mab -py3010a and

    Socket, 19mm 07jaa-001020a
     
    Zeek, Apr 23, 2007
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  5. The socket is generic (any tool or automotive shop), while the holding parts
    are in a link from the other one:
    http://tegger.com/hondafaq/cranktool/index.html#hex The third part, used
    with any of the aftermarket parts, is a generic 1/2 inch socket handle - the
    longer the better.
     
    Michael Pardee, Apr 23, 2007
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  6. Zeek

    Tegger Guest



    You don't need any of that stuff.

    Rent a DeWalt electric impact wrench from any industrial rental place for
    about $25 per day. This thing will spinn the bolt off with so little effort
    you'll think you're in paradise.

    The black 19mm deep socket can be had at any hardware store for about $10.
     
    Tegger, Apr 23, 2007
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  7. Michael Pardee wrote:



    snip




    Awwww, you just don't want to see him flip the car over on its back!

    <G>


    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, Apr 23, 2007
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  8. I only tried that once, on an old Toyota. It scared the bejeebers out of
    me - for some odd reason I didn't expect the front of the car to rise
    several inches when I bumped the starter. And that was a succesful
    operation....

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Apr 23, 2007
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  9. In the "olden" days, some people would attempt to start a car by jacking
    up one of the rear wheels and rotating it while in gear. Quite a number
    went their "own" way...

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, Apr 23, 2007
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  10. Kinda like propping a small plane and finding the throttle was open a bit
    too far and the the plane wasn't tied down - my brother did that with his
    Cessna 140 :-(

    It must have taken some muscle power to rotate the wheel. I suppose they
    used a fairly high gear?
     
    Michael Pardee, Apr 23, 2007
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  11. I never saw it in person but remember vivid tales told by my grandfather...

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, Apr 24, 2007
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  12. Zeek

    jim beam Guest

    should have a holding tool when re-torquing the bolt though.
     
    jim beam, Apr 24, 2007
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  13. Zeek

    Tegger Guest



    Good point, but only if you've got an automatic.

    With a manual, all you need is somebody to step on the brake pedal with the
    tranny in gear.
     
    Tegger, Apr 24, 2007
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  14. Zeek

    jim beam Guest

    still better to have the holding tool - theres a fair amount of lash in
    the system holding the crank with the transmission, and that affects
    ability to set torque correctly.
     
    jim beam, Apr 24, 2007
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  15. Zeek

    Tegger Guest


    It has no effect provided you turn the wrench smoothly, which you should be
    doing anyway.
     
    Tegger, Apr 24, 2007
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  16. Zeek

    jim beam Guest

    you'd think, but in practice, it's very hard to get it right if there's
    too much elasticity. friction of the bolt interfaces is uneven - the
    more elasticity, the more opportunity for friction to momentarily lock
    movement. to put it another way, /you/ may be turning the wrench
    smoothly, but with excess elasticity, the crank is not resisting smoothly.
     
    jim beam, Apr 24, 2007
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  17. Zeek

    Tegger Guest



    Resistance is quite regular and smooth, actually. Drivetrain lash is
    negligible compared to the amount of compression undergone by the clutch
    friction disc springs.

    If you have a helper step on the brakes, you feel the lash being taken
    up, then you feel the clutch springs compressing. It's fairly
    predictable, and amounts to having a really long extension on your
    torque wrench.

    Now if you had an automatic, how would you hold the pulley still for
    bolt-tightening without a proper pulley-holder tool? That would be
    tough, wouldn't it?

    When I did my wife's (automatic) Tercel's timing belt last year, I had
    to fabricate a simple tool to hold the pulley still. It's just a three-
    foot length of steel with two holes drilled in it.
    http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/tercel_crank-pulley_tool.jpg
    http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/misc/tercel_crank-pulley_tool_close.jpg

    Luckily, Toyota designed the pulley in such a way that it was possible
    to bolt a holder in place.
     
    Tegger, Apr 24, 2007
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  18. Zeek

    jim beam Guest

    the springs are a good point - i'd overlooked that!

    technically though, you can't rely on long elastic paths of travel for
    this stuff. if you look at strain gauges when torquing bolts, it's
    actually a series of lurches. springiness in the system allows more
    deflection per lurch, and will often omit the final stage. that's why
    you have torque extensions for impact tools - you can apply big torque
    at one end, but the other end won't over-tighten. correspondingly,
    "stiff" pulley bolts are devils to manually loosen with 1/2" extensions,
    but they come off easy with 3/4" tools. same applied torque in either case.
     
    jim beam, Apr 25, 2007
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  19. Zeek

    Pigeon Hohl Guest


    Nice tool! Can you make me one? ;-)

    How about putting some thin nylon rope in the number 1 cylinder as it
    comes up on compression stroke? Kind of a PITA, but it works.

    I have heard of people using an impact wrench to tighten the crankshaft
    bolt. Kind of scary if you ask me...

    Pigeon
     
    Pigeon Hohl, Apr 25, 2007
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  20. Zeek

    rkpatt Guest

    I used the Powebuiilt crankshaft tool . Got it from Amazon
    Powerbuilt-648796 Crankcase PulleyRemova Too
     
    rkpatt, Apr 19, 2009
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