Japanese sedans

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Omphalos, Jul 4, 2003.

  1. I am a bit unclear here about the thrust of you post (so to speak!)

    Are you agreeing with me that the duodecimal system is past it and that the
    Dozenal Society is on a hiding to nothing?

    DAS
     
    Dori Schmetterling, Jul 14, 2003
    #61
  2. See below.

    DAS
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    You skated round my main point in that you would need to get that word
    widely understood to communicate meaning with it.
    "Arguably"?? If you come to the real world I think the voices on the side
    of the duodecimal system are pretty faint, or at least there are few of
    them. I am very glad I no longer have to add up farthings, ha'pennies,
    shillings, guineas etc.

    I am glad to see the back of them, together with the rod, the perch, the
    furlong, the long ton, the short ton and the whole lot of them. I know, of
    course, that may still exist, such a furling in horse-racing, the chain (22
    yards) in cricket, the nautical mile and feet in aviation, but these are
    minor applications.

    And in answer to the comments about Radio Shack converters, for those of you
    who have Palms, try this free download:
    http://www.mattmarsh.net/computing/palmpilot.shtml

    DAS
     
    Dori Schmetterling, Jul 14, 2003
    #62
  3. Omphalos

    Ricardo Guest

    Given the relative flexibility of the system and base twelve in
    general, the finer details can easily be formalized at a later point
    in time.
     
    Ricardo, Jul 14, 2003
    #63
  4. As I said, I was glad to see the back of the Imperial system, whatever
    'elegance' the duodecimal bits may have had. I just like to shift decimal
    points...

    Of course non-decimal counting systems are entrenched, such as in counting
    of time, but it doesn't make working with it easier. Adding up hours and
    days etc is a pain in the butt. My Lotus 1-2-3 v9 can't even handle it
    (though here I say, "shame on the programmers"); havn't tried MS Excel.

    Admit it, Ricardo, you're a geek. You love bloatware, too, I suppose...

    :))
    DAS
     
    Dori Schmetterling, Jul 15, 2003
    #64
  5. Omphalos

    Ricardo Guest

    So why are metric versions of traditional customary measures still
    so popular in so many countries?

    When living back in Europe, I knew that a "pint" of beer was a half
    a litre, but still thought of it as a "pint" of beer nonetheless.
    Similarly the decimal 250ml glasses are "half pints". A half kilo is
    a "pound" and so forth.

    Customary units are not dead, nor are they necessarily undesirable.
    They are sometimes at odds with a decimal metric system, although
    the decimal rounding of popular customary units is a reasonable
    compromise if we are to remain trapped in the base ten straitjacket.
     
    Ricardo, Jul 15, 2003
    #65
  6. Excel seems to handle hours pretty well.
     
    Larry Kessler, Jul 16, 2003
    #66
  7. Omphalos

    Liam Devlin Guest

    Are you on a mission from God or something, Ricardo?
     
    Liam Devlin, Jul 16, 2003
    #67
  8. Omphalos

    Ricardo Guest

    Quoi, moi? ;)
     
    Ricardo, Jul 16, 2003
    #68
  9. Omphalos

    HP_BRS Guest

    I find your signature regarding "how dumb the average guy is" to be
    curious. The average guy does not represent the half-way point in a
    distribution - you would use the median (not mean) for that measure.

    Good luck,

    HP_BRS
     
    HP_BRS, Jul 16, 2003
    #69

  10. I would bet that the intelligence distribution is right skewed, so it
    would be correct to say "At least half of everyone is even dumber than
    that."

    -Aaron
     
    Aaron Solochek, Jul 16, 2003
    #70
  11. Omphalos

    HP_BRS Guest

    No betting required. Not to split hairs, but the median is the
    midpoint by definition, the mean is not. There are plenty of
    mean/median iq population studies available, and there almost always
    is a statistically significant difference.

    Good luck,

    HP_BRS
     
    HP_BRS, Jul 17, 2003
    #71
  12. Omphalos

    Greeneyed Guest

    Wow, what a fascinating thread... looks like this has gone from soup
    to nuts, NY to China, to hell and back. ;-)

    Just thought I'd add my .02, having been a consumer of both Japanese
    and German automobiles. Things have definitely changed over the
    years... German engineering has been finding its way into Japanese
    cars, and Japanese reliability has been finding its way into German
    cars; but the stereotypes are still noticeable.

    Still, I see the basic breakdown GENERALLY as this:

    Nissan/Infiniti: Highly reliable, excellent price/value, economical to
    operate and maintain. Varying by model: decent handling,
    fair/excellent performance, decent/excellent ride, and good/excellent
    passenger comfort. NOTE: Infiniti service is excellent, Nissan
    service is average/poor.

    BMW/Audi: Fairly reliable, expensive to maintain (if outside service
    plan), fair to poor economy/efficiency, and excellent handling.
    Varying by model: average price/value, good to excellent performance,
    fair to good passenger comfort (usually firmer than Japanese). NOTE:
    Comparatively BMW service is average/good, Audi is excellent.
    IMPORTANT NOTE: BMW RWD is poor in snow/rain, and although AWD has
    been introduced, it is only available in one or two models.

    All in all, if you've got the money to burn and handling is more
    important to you than ride (sports sedan vs. luxury sedan), go with
    BMW or Audi. Otherwise, the Japanese are still winning in the
    price/value arena.

    Btw, I left off Mercedes because the "C" class comparative to
    Nissan/Infiniti/BMW(3)/Audi(A4) is unreliable junk to be avoided.
     
    Greeneyed, Jul 17, 2003
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  13. Omphalos

    Ricardo Guest

    On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 19:36:54 GMT,
    Oops, my bad, this ought to be [ten]^n MOD 3 = 1 (i.e. cast out the
    threes from any positive integer power of ten and the remainder is
    always one - what was I eating/drinking/smoking when I typed the
    above?)
     
    Ricardo, Jul 18, 2003
    #73
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