"May Contain up to 10% Ethanol"

Now you're getting into moronic "moral equivalence".
So,there's no point in arguing further.

 

actually,the US leads the world in innovation,but we aren't so good in
practical application of our technology,as evidenced by VCRs,autos and some
other things. We are also the best in medical care.Foreigners prefer to
come to the *US* for thier complex surgeries and treatment.

 

It's because US vehicles became as bloated as those who drive them.

 

americans head overseas for their medical treatment in droves because
it's so over-priced here.

http://medicaltourismguide.org/

we always do a few high profile headline-grabbers each year, frequently
pro-bono work for poor foreigners. it's great for the career profiles
of the respective surgeons and medical teams - twin separations for
example - and it's great p.r., but the rest of the time, citizens have
to wrangle with insurers that that don't want to cough up what they've
been paid for, lifetime treatment expense limits, etc., so in fact, our
standards of medical care are pretty low. check out our infant
mortality rate ranking:

http://www.geographyiq.com/ranking/ranking_Infant_Mortality_Rate_aall.htm

there we are, #37 on the list, up there with buttfuck little countries
like croatia, belarus and lithuania. and three times worse than the
world leader, singapore.

world leadership? hardly.

 

no, i'm getting into basic math.

and an attitude like that gets us where we are today. way to go with
the leadership there buddy.

 

"Our" 3 ton SUVs are as efficient as anyone's. US autos are so "inefficient"
because they are so large and heavy, not because they are technologically
inferior. Compare a Lincoln MKZ (18 City / 28 Hwy / 22 Combined) to a Lexus
ES350 (19 City / 27 Hwy / 22 Combined). The Lincoln has more passenger and
luggage room, is faster, quieter, AND cheaper. So which is the more
technologically superior? Hint - it isn't the Lexus. Or throw the BMW 328ci
(19 City / 28 hwy / 22 Combined) into the mix. It has much less interior and
luggage room, but at least it is faster (if ridiculously over priced AND
unreliable). Where is the technological superiority there?

Ed

 

Yes, I have often referred to friends that this country has become a
giant suckling pig no longer able to feed or otherwise take care of itself.

All this in less than fifty years!

Begin the blame with that good ol' crook, LBJ in the 1960's.

JT

 

In what way? Becasue they fall apart after 5 years and force Customers to by
new ones? Becasue they cost a lot more? Becasue they are generally smaller?

Where did you get that idea.....Maybe our old designs (like the 737) are not
fly by wire, but what makes you think new designs like the 777 are not? The
US has been using fly by wire design in milatary planes since the 70's.

Again, where did you get that idea. The heaviest satellite launched by the
Europeans is only around 6.5 tons. Check
http://www.boeing.com/special/sea-launch/history.htm - Boeing has launched
similar sized satellites.

Ed

 

And most laws have loopholes that are intentional. Never leave it to a
politician to preach morality.

No one can argue that certain cities/regions have topographical
characteristics that foster pollution. Cities like Los Angeles, Phoenix
etc. Yet people elect to live there.

In Austin, pollution is a minor consideration as it is in San Antonio.
Yet the liberal politicos in Austin opted for emmissions testing even
though such was not needed. Pollution levels here are 1/10th of what
they were in 1990 and it was at all bad back then.

I say that people elect where they live. I would NEVER live in
California where most of the wackiness that inflicts this country has
its roots.

Ethanol is almost as big a scam as "human caused" climate change.

JT

(Who wonders if Bush should be blamed for global warming on Mars and
Jupitor)

 

Er, the L1011 was fly-by-wire by design...

JT

 

DC-10's and MD-11s were also FBW, not full time, but they were indeed
FBW in certain situations.

Boeing's present FBW systems allows pilot override in situations where
the aircraft may need to maneuver outside it's operating envelope
while Airbus's system does not. Whether that is good or bad depends
on the situation.

The Airbus A320 that crashed in Habsheim, France would have benefited
from the ability to override the FBW computers, as it was, the a/c was
doing what the computer was telling it to do, land. Problem was it
landed in the trees.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EM0hDchVlY

That works in reverse too. Some Boeing crashes may have been prevented
if the computer took over and made corrections or adjusted systems
that the pilot may have overlooked during an emergency (retract speed
brakes).

Crashes for both types are about equal.

 

Certainly not "full time." One DC-10 that broke up over Europe as a
result of a rapid decompression lost control because the floor buckled
and cables were rendered useless.

Additionally, the basic DC-10 design left much to be desired including
insufficient hydraulic system redundency which was the major cause for
fatalities in a DC-10 that (physically) lost an engine in Chicago and
the Sioux City crash landing of a DC-10 that lost all hydralic
capability due to an engine failure (#2).

 

That should have been MD-10.

 

no,begin with the Fabians in the early 1900's;they are the ones who began
working to get socialists in education and gov't.
the avalanche point came in the late 1960s.

 

so's the F-16.

 

No, these incidents are clearly documented as DC-10(s).

JT

 

Sorry, but this country was clearly the top of the heap in 1963 under
JFK. The decline began in 1965 with the passage ot the voting rights and
civlil rights laws during LBJ's, (who was concerned about his legacy),
administration.

Socialism has always been a factor...

JT

 

Sorry, but you are living in the past. The USA is in decline both
technologically and most unfortunately morally. Even more
unfortunately, most Americans are completely oblivious of what is
going on both inside and outside of their country and fail to
recognize the problems they and their country have.

With respect to medical care, perhaps some of the most respected
surgeons and doctors practice in the USA but how many have access to
their expertise? Precious few, as a very substantial minority of
citizens simply are unable to afford medical care.

 

See, now, that's how people go about making themselves look stupid...

Roughly 45 Million Americans do not have Health Insurance. There are
around 300 Million Americans total. So, your statement "a very
substantial minority of citizens simply are unable to afford medical
care." is patently false, and probably intentional.

The US continues to lead the world in innovation and design.
Manufacturing and resource management have become major holes. And I
am not sure what you mean by "morally". In that regard, the US is not
that much different than any other Western culture...

 

No, I'm not saying those accidents were MD-10 aircraft.

What I am saying is that I meant to put "MD-10", not "DC-10" in my
other post.

When I previously wrote "DC-10's and MD-11's", that should have been
"MD-10's and MD-11's".

Sorry for the confusion.