More on the bailout

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/19/AR2008121903675.html?hpid=topnews

I suspect once the US auto industry gets on a level field the foriegn
companies may be in for an ass kicking.

 

Sorry, you are WRONG. US auto makers do not encourage the culture of
quality that the Japanese auto makers embraced about 50 years ago. Until
the American automakers demonstrate they are truly commited to quality and
not just dependent on whether the head of the company is commited to quality
or not, there's not only going to not be a level playing field, there's not
gong to be any play.

And since you are obviously a UAW shill, you go plonk in the night.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon
Friends don't let friends vote Democrat.

 

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You are an ass.

 

Can we assume that apparently you have not seen the numerous reports that
show many of the domestic are BEATING some of the imports in customer
quality surveys? Have you seen the CAFE lists that show many domestics
are as good or better than imports, of the same size, when it comes to fuel
economy and some domestic, with V6 engines, are doing nearly as good as
imports with only 4cy engines?

 

Were it not for this recession/depression thing we've got going, the
ass kicking by Detroit would be pretty obvious. The two best selling
vehicles in the US were made by Ford and GM.

 

No, you are a major liberal ASS, and you can go to HELL, as well as Plonk,
liberal bastard. You should be sent to Cuba to live the rest of your life
in the People's Paridise.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

 

I know what I've seen. 14 years ago I bought a brand new American pickup.
10 years ago, I dumped it, literally. Quailty hadn't gone up since the
1960's as a matter of fact I had MORE problems with the newer American
vehicle. I currently own a Toyota of the same age as the American vehicle I
dumped in 1998. I don' t have problems with the engine or the body, at
least not yet. I did with the Chevy and it was less than 4 years old.
American manufactures want their car to be less desirable so owners will buy
a new one quicker. This is part of the DNA of the American carmakers.
They're not going to ever give that up.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

I'm not buying a Detroit-3 vehicle ever again. And NEVER a F***ed Over
Rebuilt Dodge.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

 

Naw, they will simply lower the wages of the good old boys over time
compared to the union workers.

 

The Detroit mindset of looking no further than about the next quarter
or two will not be changed by the bailout. The Japanese have accepted
near term losses for long term gain, an idea that is anathema to the
Detroit 3 (*not* the Big Three anymore). Detroit is not too big to
fail:

Why Detroit Is Not Too Big to Fail
http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1867847,00.html

The Remains of Detroit (slideshow)
http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1864272_1810098,00.html

Detroit's "best" hope is a forced bankruptcy reorganization to change
the outdated and lethal mindset that has done them in.

 

You mean like making the bigger more powerful cars trucks and SUVs that
American buyers WANTED to buy so they outsold ALL of the import brands, who
also started to make the bigger more powerful cars trucks and SUVs that
American buyers WANTED to buy, over the past ten years of so that is also
now doing in the imports?




Detroit's "best" hope is a forced bankruptcy reorganization to change
the outdated and lethal mindset that has done them in.

 

If that's the America you live in, Mike, your America deserves another Great
Depression. And the Detroit-3 deserve to go belly up.

Sir Charles the Curmudgeon

 

yeah, because having all that steel around you is SO SAFE.

Right?

I mean, that's the under the radar marketing message.

Safe, eh?

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Child dies from crash that injured 6 others
Saturday, December 20, 2008 3:07 AM
By Jeb Phillips
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
A child died last night after a head-on crash on the Far West Side that
injured six others, including four other children.

The child was riding, unrestrained, in the front passenger seat of 1999
GMC Suburban vehicle driven by Christopher Belmonte, 43, of Grove City,
according to the Franklin County sheriff's office. Four children were
riding in the back seat.

The Suburban was traveling southbound on Norton Road, south of Johnson
Road, at 6:50 p.m. when it drove left of the center line and was struck
by 1995 Mercury Sable traveling northbound.

The child in the front seat was transported to Doctors Hospital and
pronounced dead. The children in the back seat were taken to Nationwide
Children's Hospital and are in stable condition. Their names have not
been released.

Belmonte, the Suburban's driver, was taken to Mount Carmel West hospital
in stable condition. Dennis Wilburn, 33, of Columbus, was driving the
Sable and also was taken to Mount Carmel West hospital in stable
condition.

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Yes sir, with all that steel around him, he was just as safe as could
be. One child died, and the others remain in critical but stable
condition.

Meanwhile, the guy in the Sable came out of it relatively cleanly.

 

A slow death is what is being processed.
An ordered C7 is under way.
GM is so bloody big that it needs to be closed down in parts.
The cost of closing is being sent to the taxpayers.
The question of interest is if any more cars people do not want need
to be built.
There is a huge surplus out there already.
It will be interesting what comes after the collaps.

 

Now how would you actually know I am wrong? Or is that just more wishful
thinking to see American industry go down the drain. What a bunch of
traitors the US is producing. I just hope another war doesnt break out with
Japan or Germany then we would really be in trouble with traitors. We would
be like sitting ducks with no Industry. What would you do then try and buy
war vehicles from japan and germany? Idiots are like sitting ducks.

 

By the way I have never worked for the union in my life nor do I or even
have any family members who have ever that I know of paid union dues. So I
have no link to them other than as Americans. What is your link to America
other than supporting a measly $14 an hour worker who helps put together
your prized japanese car. The bulk of your money ends up in japan, your link
and real alliance.

 

The Detroit mindset of looking no further than about the next quarter
or two will not be changed by the bailout. The Japanese have accepted
near term losses for long term gain, an idea that is anathema to the
Detroit 3 (*not* the Big Three anymore). Detroit is not too big to
fail:

Why Detroit Is Not Too Big to Fail
http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1867847,00.html

The Remains of Detroit (slideshow)
http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1864272_1810098,00.html

Detroit's "best" hope is a forced bankruptcy reorganization to change
the outdated and lethal mindset that has done them in.

Another big mouth who prays for the demise of American big industry. Tell
your grand kids about it when the US becomes another 3rd world that can't
sustain itself by just pushing paper around.

 

A slow death is what is being processed.
An ordered C7 is under way.
GM is so bloody big that it needs to be closed down in parts.
The cost of closing is being sent to the taxpayers.
The question of interest is if any more cars people do not want need
to be built.
There is a huge surplus out there already.
It will be interesting what comes after the collaps.

Could it be that all your wishes will finally come true? Millions of
Americans jobless or making just $14 and hour, more foreclosures, more
applying for welfare being paid by your taxes, the corner hot dog stands and
other stores that supported factory workers and suppliers will be out of a
job, and from Pa. to Ohio to Michigan will be in a state of economic
disaster that could easily trickle across that country. You would really
love to see that. What do you care as long as the Japanese are fat and
happy.

 

It is not my fault that GM has been stupid for decades and in a slow
death spiral.
I am merely an observer and I have known for years what mistakes
management of GM is making.
By the same token it surely is not my doing nor wish coming true now
that GM is dead.
GM has been making crappy products for ages and have been able to turn
the tide for years but now it is too late.
If anyone believes it has anything to do with my they give me more
credit than it is due to me.
I could have saved GM many times over a long time ago.
I still could given the means but I do not see anyone asking me to do
so.
I could not care less actually I just find it amusing to watch this
happening as predicted.
The stupid management of GM met the most stupid president in history
and got him to give out taxpayers money.
How stupid does that make the general public I am sure you have worked
out by now and that is why you are so angry.

 

Based on the crap you cross post to the NGs, is it any wonder NOBODY would
ask your opinion about ANYTHING?

Hell you would have had them building small and midget cars for the past ten
years and Americans didn't want to buy any manufactures small cars. Even
the impost knew that much that is why ALL the imports cars and trucks got
BIGGER LOL



I could have saved GM many times over a long time ago. I still could given
the means but I do not see anyone asking me to do so.

 

OK... we are getting to the crux of it all....

Apparently, it doesn't matter what the job is worth....

Bend over and take it like a man starts to sound like "death to the infidel
dogs"...