New Accord EX - third impressions

Discussion in 'Accord' started by zzznot, Nov 16, 2009.

  1. zzznot

    zzznot Guest

    2010 EX 4 auto sedan, first tank of gas: 28mpg.

    I think the first tank on my 2007 was about 29mpg,
    and after it was broken in, it got about 31mpg on the same
    kind of driving (mostly freeway, but often congested).

    Driving the new car almost all below 3000rpm, mostly
    below 2000rpm, only had it over 4000rpm a couple of times.
    It really, really is optimized for low RPM torque, it
    seems to me. Astounding for a 2.4 liter engine. Doesn't
    seem to really kick at 5000rpm on the cam, like some
    older Hondas did. Maybe this is progress. I guess if
    I want to rev for power I can get the Civic Si or something.

    I'm still trying to learn where the nose of the
    car is, to get close to the garage wall when parking.
    Can't really see it very well, and I keep thinking the
    hood is longer - I keep leaving a foot or two between
    the nose and the wall.

    Which leads me to a peeve - no bumpers! The foremost
    point on my car is - the license plate! And in any
    kind of even low-speed collision, looks like the emblem
    and hood go very quickly. Looking around at traffic,
    a LOT of cars are designed this way - Lexus/Toyota seems
    to be better, their fenders and bumpers preceed the
    nose by at least a couple of inches. But some Mercedes
    seem to lead with the grill, also, and it's practically
    a Chrysler design element.

    I managed to finish the 2007 lease with the original
    hood undented but I'm not above a few little bumps and ouches
    when driving a car over several years, maybe Honda
    should offer a cowcatcher option for the likes of me.

    J.
     
    zzznot, Nov 16, 2009
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  2. zzznot

    Tegger Guest

    september.org:



    It's my understanding that this front-end design is on account of safety
    regulations, both American and European.

    The regulations are intended to make the front end of the car as roundy and
    puffy and smooth as possible so as not to damage any pedesterians you might
    wallop. I'm not kidding.
     
    Tegger, Nov 16, 2009
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  3. zzznot

    zzznot Guest

    More brilliant government regulations.

    Cowcatcher would be much more humane than stamping
    a big H in a pedestrian!

    My other peeve is that Accord fender has trouble
    reaching up to those on common SUVs. My 2004 I crunched
    into the back of a Land Rover at about 4mph - much to their
    undamaged amusement, and my $3,000 repair bill. Maybe that's
    a problem with the SUV not reaching *down* far enough, but
    it's me that seemed to suffer.

    J.
     
    zzznot, Nov 16, 2009
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    Leftie Guest

    If it's the Eeevil government's fault, then why do Toyotas not have
    the Eeevil design?
     
    Leftie, Nov 16, 2009
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  5. zzznot

    Tegger Guest




    They do. They ALL do these days.

    Exact interpretation of the Eeevil laws is up to the designers of course,
    but all cars are blimpily safety-fied these days.
     
    Tegger, Nov 17, 2009
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  6. zzznot

    Leftie Guest

    They don't have to build cars that crumple even in low-speed
    crashes. That's just the cheaper way to do it.
     
    Leftie, Nov 17, 2009
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    dgk Guest

    Then why do they build them with no bumper in the rear? Everywhere I
    look I see new cars with some sort of mat hung on the back to keep the
    back from getting all scratched up.
     
    dgk, Nov 17, 2009
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  8. zzznot

    Tegger Guest



    Yes they do. That's the /whole point/ of the regulations.

    When the regulations were being discussed, Jaguar even experimented with
    small airbag-type explosive charges that elevated the hood above the engine
    on a frontal impact in order to perform the cushioning effect the
    regulations demanded. This would have enabled Jaguar to retain a sleeker
    frontal design. They eventually discarded that idea on account of cost.


    It's the /legal/ way to do it, and automakers didn't do it until forced.

    I've read interviews with automotive designers where they've said thay hate
    the regulations because they result in bulbous and ungraceful front-ends.
     
    Tegger, Nov 17, 2009
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  9. zzznot

    Tegger Guest


    Bumpers are ugly. Automakers since the early '60s have strived to make them
    as unobtrusive as possible. It's the plastic skin that's so utterly and
    annoyingly fragile, and that skin is there for at least two reasons besides
    styling.

    Since CAFE regulations started to bite, automakers have sought to fair-in
    the bumpers as much as possible to avoid disturbances to the airstream,
    which would cause drag and lower CAFE test results. This is best done with
    a plastic skin that can be carefully molded to the body in a way that bare
    steel can't.
    CAFE also dictates /lighter/ bumpers, which automakers achieve by cloaking
    a small rebar with styrofoam and that awful plastic skin.

    Plus, the ostensible legal purpose of the bumpers (in Canada and the US,
    the only two countries in the world with bumper regulations) is to protect
    the "safety systems" of the car, which specifically means the headlights
    and taillights. If those are mounted far back or high up, bumper impacts
    won't result in damage to those lamps in the official tests even if the
    bumper itself gets totally mangled.
     
    Tegger, Nov 17, 2009
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    Dillon Pyron Guest

    Remember a few years ago when Honda was actually advertising such a
    design on the Civic?

    I've seen three low speed "pedestrian encounters front bumper"
    patients in the ER. If you've ever seen an episode of any of the CSI
    shows where they talk about it, those are pretty much the injuries
    you'll see. Broken femoral head on impact side, either tib-fib or
    tri-mallalor on the opposide side and three to four anterior rib
    fractures on the impact side. Usually some sort of C3-C4 injury.

    Speeds over about 10 mph usually involve windsheild consumption.
    --

    - dillon I am not invalid

    "Get a shot off fast. This upsets him long enough to
    let you make your second shot perfect."

    -- Lazurus Long
     
    Dillon Pyron, Nov 17, 2009
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  11. zzznot

    Tegger Guest



    A guy I used to work with once got hit by a Mercedes. Not an S-class,
    but the one down from that.

    He was crossing on a green and had the right-of-way. The Mercedes driver
    was turning left (on the same green) and struck him in such a way that
    he was thrown into the concrete median. Forearm fractured in several
    places, elbow fractured, jaw fractured. Some teeth knocked out, others
    loosened. Broken cheekbone. Something happened to his shoulder too, but
    I forget what. He looked absolutely awful, like he'd been...hit by a car
    or something.

    I saw his X-rays. Lots of pins and screws. I imagine he has some trouble
    at the airport that he didn't have before. Plus he's Iranian and looks
    it.

    Oddly, there were no fractures below the rib cage, so he was mobile
    right away.
     
    Tegger, Nov 17, 2009
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    JRStern Guest

    Er, no.
    So then, the design is working like a charm?


    J.
     
    JRStern, Nov 17, 2009
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    tww1491 Guest

    I suppose that would explain the ugly new Acura TL.
     
    tww1491, Nov 21, 2009
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