New Honda being delivered Wednesday

yeah, but I would consider a Fit Si in a heartbeat (probably wouldn't
buy it, but I'd go look). That would be the spiritual descendant of the
original Civic Si. It doesn't have to be radical; put the 140hp motor
from the stock Civic into the lighter weight Fit, do up the suspension,
make it either black w/red interior or red w/black interior, and go.

Price it like a Fit.

Remember, it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow.

 

yeah, but I would consider a Fit Si in a heartbeat (probably wouldn't
buy it, but I'd go look). That would be the spiritual descendant of the
original Civic Si. It doesn't have to be radical; put the 140hp motor
from the stock Civic into the lighter weight Fit, do up the suspension,
make it either black w/red interior or red w/black interior, and go.

Price it like a Fit.

Remember, it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow.

 

I have a data point to dispute that. I bought my wife a 2005
Civic EX coupe with a five speed 6 years ago. It now has 55K
miles on it and the only thing that I have had to do besides
change the oil is replace the tires and the battery.

Excellent car and highly recommended.[/QUOTE]

Probably the very last car to bite the dust will be the ones equipped
with 4 cylinder engines and manual transmissions. That is Honda's
lifeblood, and it'll be awhile before executive management gets
desperate enough to screw that up.

 

I have a data point to dispute that. I bought my wife a 2005
Civic EX coupe with a five speed 6 years ago. It now has 55K
miles on it and the only thing that I have had to do besides
change the oil is replace the tires and the battery.

Excellent car and highly recommended.[/QUOTE]

Probably the very last car to bite the dust will be the ones equipped
with 4 cylinder engines and manual transmissions. That is Honda's
lifeblood, and it'll be awhile before executive management gets
desperate enough to screw that up.

 

they're certainly dropping their support of their older civics as fast
as they can. their 4-wheel double-wishbone crx, and 88-2000 civics were
fabulous bang for the buck, reliable, comparatively fast, comfortable
and great handling - they were the cars that put honda on the map. that
era of accord, integra and prelude wasn't bad either. they're still the
cars that keep honda winning on the grass roots race circuits too. but
honda are pulling support parts off the shelves and not replacing them -
it looks like they're aiming for 10-year support like domestics, and
that era has passed it's expiration date.[/QUOTE]

ah, the BMW model.

Well, they'll worry about brand loyalty later. Right?

As for uncomfortable, just those damn headrests alone would keep me from
buying a Honda today. No, Honda, you don't have to jam them forward so
far you make my chin touch my chest. And I refuse to recline the
seatback like a gangsta just to avoid all of that.

 

they're certainly dropping their support of their older civics as fast
as they can. their 4-wheel double-wishbone crx, and 88-2000 civics were
fabulous bang for the buck, reliable, comparatively fast, comfortable
and great handling - they were the cars that put honda on the map. that
era of accord, integra and prelude wasn't bad either. they're still the
cars that keep honda winning on the grass roots race circuits too. but
honda are pulling support parts off the shelves and not replacing them -
it looks like they're aiming for 10-year support like domestics, and
that era has passed it's expiration date.[/QUOTE]

ah, the BMW model.

Well, they'll worry about brand loyalty later. Right?

As for uncomfortable, just those damn headrests alone would keep me from
buying a Honda today. No, Honda, you don't have to jam them forward so
far you make my chin touch my chest. And I refuse to recline the
seatback like a gangsta just to avoid all of that.

 

Similarly, I am very pleased with my 2003 Civic LX Coupe at 98k miles.
I did not think I would like the 1.7L engine, for fuel-economy
reasons. But it turns out I am getting 40+ mpg on average year-round
(overinflating tires to about 40 psi, with no signs of uneven wear
problems, knock on aluminum), and the extra horsepower is great on the
highway. I do not notice a reduction in fuel mileage when using air
conditioning. The engine does not struggle (slowing the car) to climb
the hills here the way my 91 and 93 Civics did. I either found it a
little easier to change the timing belt etc. on the 2003 than my older
Civics, or I just have enough experience that every TB change is
easier. The distributor-less design (so one ignition coil per
cylinder) seems to work well, though if memory serves, I think honda-
tech.com folks are starting to report a failure now and then of these
for the 01-05 generation of Civic.

One drawback is the sidewinder design of door locks. Getting parts to
rebuild it is difficult. The design is such that it fails much sooner
than the older design.

I just bought a pair of tires over the internet for the first time. As
second owner, the Civic came with two fairly new Pirelli tires in the
front in 2009. The back tires were Firestone and are way overdue for
replacement, from how worn they are (uniformly) and cracked.

I own a little stock in Honda and it is doing nicely, with a nice gain
since I bought it in 2006. Not that stock price means too much, unless
maybe one wants to compare to GM, Toyota and Ford.

 

Similarly, I am very pleased with my 2003 Civic LX Coupe at 98k miles.
I did not think I would like the 1.7L engine, for fuel-economy
reasons. But it turns out I am getting 40+ mpg on average year-round
(overinflating tires to about 40 psi, with no signs of uneven wear
problems, knock on aluminum), and the extra horsepower is great on the
highway. I do not notice a reduction in fuel mileage when using air
conditioning. The engine does not struggle (slowing the car) to climb
the hills here the way my 91 and 93 Civics did. I either found it a
little easier to change the timing belt etc. on the 2003 than my older
Civics, or I just have enough experience that every TB change is
easier. The distributor-less design (so one ignition coil per
cylinder) seems to work well, though if memory serves, I think honda-
tech.com folks are starting to report a failure now and then of these
for the 01-05 generation of Civic.

One drawback is the sidewinder design of door locks. Getting parts to
rebuild it is difficult. The design is such that it fails much sooner
than the older design.

I just bought a pair of tires over the internet for the first time. As
second owner, the Civic came with two fairly new Pirelli tires in the
front in 2009. The back tires were Firestone and are way overdue for
replacement, from how worn they are (uniformly) and cracked.

I own a little stock in Honda and it is doing nicely, with a nice gain
since I bought it in 2006. Not that stock price means too much, unless
maybe one wants to compare to GM, Toyota and Ford.

 

OK, so they fucked up on something as simple as door locks. That
probably saved them 3 cents per car, and put the onus onto the owner to
deal with it for the rest of his ownership of the car.

That was in 2003?

Guess what's happening today on the 2011 models. Hint: things haven't
changed for the better.

 

OK, so they fucked up on something as simple as door locks. That
probably saved them 3 cents per car, and put the onus onto the owner to
deal with it for the rest of his ownership of the car.

That was in 2003?

Guess what's happening today on the 2011 models. Hint: things haven't
changed for the better.

 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote

I wondered about that too-forward headrest, and for the first couple weeks I
was driving with the seatback in its full upright position. That's the
seatback position I've used in my previous Hondas. Anyway, with the Accord,
my back was hurting. Then I discovered that by reclining the seat just one
or two notches (not enough for a gangsta look), all seating problems were
solved. I love the seat's depth, as it nicely supports my thighs. My Civics'
seats were too short, so with the Accord I discovered luxury. I hope Honda
hasn't shortened the seats on the new ones.

 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote

I wondered about that too-forward headrest, and for the first couple weeks I
was driving with the seatback in its full upright position. That's the
seatback position I've used in my previous Hondas. Anyway, with the Accord,
my back was hurting. Then I discovered that by reclining the seat just one
or two notches (not enough for a gangsta look), all seating problems were
solved. I love the seat's depth, as it nicely supports my thighs. My Civics'
seats were too short, so with the Accord I discovered luxury. I hope Honda
hasn't shortened the seats on the new ones.

 

"BMW and Mercedes started using laser cut, or sidewinder keys many
years ago. Now Honda, Acura, Toyota, Lexus, Infinity, and many more,
including Pontiac, are using this style of key."

 

"BMW and Mercedes started using laser cut, or sidewinder keys many
years ago. Now Honda, Acura, Toyota, Lexus, Infinity, and many more,
including Pontiac, are using this style of key."

 

The "sidewinder" design was chosen for security reasons, not cost.

 

The "sidewinder" design was chosen for security reasons, not cost.

 

It's a"safety" feature. It's supposed to help prevent neck injuries by
preventing the head from being able to move very far in a rear-end
collision.

 

It's a"safety" feature. It's supposed to help prevent neck injuries by
preventing the head from being able to move very far in a rear-end
collision.

 

It's a"safety" feature. It's supposed to help prevent neck injuries by
preventing the head from being able to move very far in a rear-end
collision.[/QUOTE]

And yet, the rest of the car manufacturers don't do it to the extreme
Honda does.

 

It's a"safety" feature. It's supposed to help prevent neck injuries by
preventing the head from being able to move very far in a rear-end
collision.[/QUOTE]

And yet, the rest of the car manufacturers don't do it to the extreme
Honda does.