yes they do!!! wear product is proportional to wear, prior to saturation!!! unless of course you believe it all disappears into some kind of engine black hole and "hides" somewhere. straw clutching drivel. wow retard, you've still got that reading comprehension problem! was it like your "burnt valve discussion"? you know, where you didn't listen and jumped to a bunch of erroneous conclusions because you don't understand what you're talking about??? [rhetorical] how inconvenient - you can't find the stuff that corrects your "mistakes". as you evidently do! the problem being that /your/ "conclusions" are so "free", they don't bother to take into account the facts! like we can read your research contributions to "journal of tribology"? "i believe" - gotta love this faith-based engineering - solves all problems of ignorance! oh dear - more reading non-comprehension. is your old junior school teacher is still alive? they really f-ed you over. i seriously doubt you have the capacity to learn a single damned thing - too much bullshit in your head to allow anything new to fit in. wow, you mean that the millions of dollars manufacturers spend on research, and the millions of dollars the industrial, transportation, military and aerospace users of oil analysis spend could actually have some purpose??? amazing!!!
yes they do!!! wear product is proportional to wear, prior to saturation!!! unless of course you believe it all disappears into some kind of engine black hole and "hides" somewhere. straw clutching drivel. wow retard, you've still got that reading comprehension problem! was it like your "burnt valve discussion"? you know, where you didn't listen and jumped to a bunch of erroneous conclusions because you don't understand what you're talking about??? [rhetorical] how inconvenient - you can't find the stuff that corrects your "mistakes". as you evidently do! the problem being that /your/ "conclusions" are so "free", they don't bother to take into account the facts! like we can read your research contributions to "journal of tribology"? "i believe" - gotta love this faith-based engineering - solves all problems of ignorance! oh dear - more reading non-comprehension. is your old junior school teacher is still alive? they really f-ed you over. i seriously doubt you have the capacity to learn a single damned thing - too much bullshit in your head to allow anything new to fit in. wow, you mean that the millions of dollars manufacturers spend on research, and the millions of dollars the industrial, transportation, military and aerospace users of oil analysis spend could actually have some purpose??? amazing!!!
you're making two false statements. 1. that valves go from zero to burned in "milliseconds". that's bullshit. 2. you "self limiting" theory is bullshit too. if you understood viscosity [along with flow dynamics], you'd not be making these retarded false statements. but if you ever had the desire to understand, which you obviously don't, you'd be asking questions, not bullshitting. er, the valve we are discussing is mine. i therefore have had the opportunity to examine it closely. the burn mechanism is as described. you otoh are guessing wildly and wrongly, and are a fucking moron for arguing about something you've never seen! bullshit, moron. 1. it's an exhaust valve, not intake. the exhaust is "being diluted" by air/fuel, not the other way around. 2. valves burn over time. the more time, the bigger the hole. just like your brain. freakin' hollywood fantasy moron. oh, sorry, discussion of principle too hard for you? [rhetorical] because if you don't understand the principles, [sic] you sure aren't going to understand the practice! er, my physical reality is that i own the valve, dipshit. and i've done metallurgy on valves like this, dipshit. of course from the fact that you're a clueless retard that's got not the slightest understanding of the technology doesn't stop you shooting your dumb mouth off, but at least /try/ and learn what you clearly don't know.
you're making two false statements. 1. that valves go from zero to burned in "milliseconds". that's bullshit. 2. you "self limiting" theory is bullshit too. if you understood viscosity [along with flow dynamics], you'd not be making these retarded false statements. but if you ever had the desire to understand, which you obviously don't, you'd be asking questions, not bullshitting. er, the valve we are discussing is mine. i therefore have had the opportunity to examine it closely. the burn mechanism is as described. you otoh are guessing wildly and wrongly, and are a fucking moron for arguing about something you've never seen! bullshit, moron. 1. it's an exhaust valve, not intake. the exhaust is "being diluted" by air/fuel, not the other way around. 2. valves burn over time. the more time, the bigger the hole. just like your brain. freakin' hollywood fantasy moron. oh, sorry, discussion of principle too hard for you? [rhetorical] because if you don't understand the principles, [sic] you sure aren't going to understand the practice! er, my physical reality is that i own the valve, dipshit. and i've done metallurgy on valves like this, dipshit. of course from the fact that you're a clueless retard that's got not the slightest understanding of the technology doesn't stop you shooting your dumb mouth off, but at least /try/ and learn what you clearly don't know.
Damn, dude. You took yourself off your meds again, didn't ya? Seriously Jim, you are a SERIOUS fucknut. The abuse you spew is limitless. I'll bet you keep a supply of fresh towels at hand - to wipe the spittle from your keyboard and monitor.
Damn, dude. You took yourself off your meds again, didn't ya? Seriously Jim, you are a SERIOUS fucknut. The abuse you spew is limitless. I'll bet you keep a supply of fresh towels at hand - to wipe the spittle from your keyboard and monitor.
I'd love to see what the oil looks like after 15k miles. I realize the quality of engines and oil is better than 30 years ago so it makes sense that the oil change interval is greater now (15k ???) but like Tegger, I prefer more frequent oil changes.
I'd love to see what the oil looks like after 15k miles. I realize the quality of engines and oil is better than 30 years ago so it makes sense that the oil change interval is greater now (15k ???) but like Tegger, I prefer more frequent oil changes.
That's /exactly/ what I thought. If the benefits from "prestressing" were actually real, it would have some significant marketing advantage. Oil companies could simply heat the oil up in a tank for X-number of hours to reach peak effectiveness, then sell it with a big marketing campaign. Considering the unlikeliness of oil companies missing an opportunity for more cash by failing to market "prestressed" motor oil, I am now deeply suspicious of the whole "prestressed" idea.
That's /exactly/ what I thought. If the benefits from "prestressing" were actually real, it would have some significant marketing advantage. Oil companies could simply heat the oil up in a tank for X-number of hours to reach peak effectiveness, then sell it with a big marketing campaign. Considering the unlikeliness of oil companies missing an opportunity for more cash by failing to market "prestressed" motor oil, I am now deeply suspicious of the whole "prestressed" idea.
this is 20k mile mobil 1 "extended performance" oil. http://tinypic.com/r/29c402b/6 [the brown resin you see in a couple of places is from before i had the car and was substantially worse.]
this is 20k mile mobil 1 "extended performance" oil. http://tinypic.com/r/29c402b/6 [the brown resin you see in a couple of places is from before i had the car and was substantially worse.]
like when someone takes their oil to the recycling facility and generously donates it to the people that "refine" it, then sell it back as "motor oil"? what do people think happens to that stuff once the tanker collects it??? besides, it doesn't make much sense to spend the time and money wearing out machines to produce this stuff when there are apparently limitless hordes willing to change their oil after only 3k miles, even with synthetic. more profitable to sell them new oil 5x more often than they really need.
like when someone takes their oil to the recycling facility and generously donates it to the people that "refine" it, then sell it back as "motor oil"? what do people think happens to that stuff once the tanker collects it??? besides, it doesn't make much sense to spend the time and money wearing out machines to produce this stuff when there are apparently limitless hordes willing to change their oil after only 3k miles, even with synthetic. more profitable to sell them new oil 5x more often than they really need.
I admit it looks good. I've never used synthetics in my cars. Years ago there was talk about being careful about sythetics because it might make older seals leak (perhaps due to its viscosity???). I don't know if that's still true but on the otherhand, I've read several people that do swear by the stuff. 1-- Does anyone know if it's safe to use say Mobil 1 in a) older cars without the seals leaking? b) new or fairly new cars (low mileage)? 2-- If you use say Mobil 1, do you use the same oil filter you would normally use siince it will stay in place longer? 3-- Besides Mobil 1, any other worthy competitors? (I ask because I never hear of them, just Mobil 1)
I admit it looks good. I've never used synthetics in my cars. Years ago there was talk about being careful about sythetics because it might make older seals leak (perhaps due to its viscosity???). I don't know if that's still true but on the otherhand, I've read several people that do swear by the stuff. 1-- Does anyone know if it's safe to use say Mobil 1 in a) older cars without the seals leaking? b) new or fairly new cars (low mileage)? 2-- If you use say Mobil 1, do you use the same oil filter you would normally use siince it will stay in place longer? 3-- Besides Mobil 1, any other worthy competitors? (I ask because I never hear of them, just Mobil 1)
safe to use - mine is 20 years old, original seals. only leakage i've had recently is about the distributor, but that's a common honda problem and not specific to the oil. safe to use - original factory fill on several cars. i use an ordinary filter. hondas burn clean [when properly maintained anyway] so they don't produce excessive combustion product to clog the filter. i did change this car's filter at about 12k miles though - more for curiosity than anything else. no idea - i've been happy with these results so haven't experimented further.
safe to use - mine is 20 years old, original seals. only leakage i've had recently is about the distributor, but that's a common honda problem and not specific to the oil. safe to use - original factory fill on several cars. i use an ordinary filter. hondas burn clean [when properly maintained anyway] so they don't produce excessive combustion product to clog the filter. i did change this car's filter at about 12k miles though - more for curiosity than anything else. no idea - i've been happy with these results so haven't experimented further.
