yeah--the life of the finance contract or the life of the warranty. BMW is able to make utterly disposable cars because their penishead buyers are dumber than oatmeal and trade them in for new leases every two years.
yeah--the life of the finance contract or the life of the warranty. BMW is able to make utterly disposable cars because their penishead buyers are dumber than oatmeal and trade them in for new leases every two years.
Oi, don't sit on the fence - tell us how it really is Also Is there a new joke there somewhere - whats the difference between a bmw driver and oatmeal? people like oatmeal!
Oi, don't sit on the fence - tell us how it really is Also Is there a new joke there somewhere - whats the difference between a bmw driver and oatmeal? people like oatmeal!
Not me... I think that oatmeal is for, well, er, ahhh... hosses 'n the like. Putrid stuff! Of course, I'm not anyway supportive of BMWs either.. JT
Not me... I think that oatmeal is for, well, er, ahhh... hosses 'n the like. Putrid stuff! Of course, I'm not anyway supportive of BMWs either.. JT
yeah, but what's the difference between bmw drivers and people that don't like them? it's the bmw drivers that don't care!
yeah, but what's the difference between bmw drivers and people that don't like them? it's the bmw drivers that don't care!
OK, I'll admit, I drive it a little easy for the first few hundred miles, I'm only up to 1,500 now and still at least feel a little guilty when I rev it above about 5,000 even briefly. I guess it takes until the second oil change, when the car starts getting better mileage as well, that I consider it fully broken in! I do wish Honda would publish the algorithm they use for the minder, how many points for a cold start, how many points for high revs, etc. I remember doing oil changes every 3,000 miles on the ol' 1987, I also remember about the 2004 model year when Honda said go 10,000 miles between changes if you have easy driving. I thought I had easy driving, and did go 10,000 miles between changes at least once. So when I got the first model with the minder in 2007, I was a bit surprised when it decided I should change around 6,000 miles. Such is life. Maybe Honda decided they'd overshot a little on the 10,000 estimate. J.
OK, I'll admit, I drive it a little easy for the first few hundred miles, I'm only up to 1,500 now and still at least feel a little guilty when I rev it above about 5,000 even briefly. I guess it takes until the second oil change, when the car starts getting better mileage as well, that I consider it fully broken in! I do wish Honda would publish the algorithm they use for the minder, how many points for a cold start, how many points for high revs, etc. I remember doing oil changes every 3,000 miles on the ol' 1987, I also remember about the 2004 model year when Honda said go 10,000 miles between changes if you have easy driving. I thought I had easy driving, and did go 10,000 miles between changes at least once. So when I got the first model with the minder in 2007, I was a bit surprised when it decided I should change around 6,000 miles. Such is life. Maybe Honda decided they'd overshot a little on the 10,000 estimate. J.
IIRC, the story the dealer gave back when about stripped oil plugs was corrosion. If that was ever correct, maybe they found a more resistant grade of steel for it. I think my 1987 Accord had the pan replaced once, maybe twice, in the twelve years I drove it. Since I've been on a three-year lease cycle, I've had no further experience with the issue. J.
IIRC, the story the dealer gave back when about stripped oil plugs was corrosion. If that was ever correct, maybe they found a more resistant grade of steel for it. I think my 1987 Accord had the pan replaced once, maybe twice, in the twelve years I drove it. Since I've been on a three-year lease cycle, I've had no further experience with the issue. J.
I think that's total nonsense. The plug threads are bathed in oil. Even if the oil were neglected to the point where water would build up and cause corrosion, it most certainly would not happen in three years. I have never in my life ever seen an oil drain plug with corroded threads, even when what was in the pan was almost molasses. That dealer was feeding you a line so he could cover up for his inept and lazy monkeys.
I think that's total nonsense. The plug threads are bathed in oil. Even if the oil were neglected to the point where water would build up and cause corrosion, it most certainly would not happen in three years. I have never in my life ever seen an oil drain plug with corroded threads, even when what was in the pan was almost molasses. That dealer was feeding you a line so he could cover up for his inept and lazy monkeys.
i wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't honda bowing to dealer pressure/bleating to get people back in the shop more often. dealers /want/ you in more often so they can make more money. contrast that with bmw who offer free maintenance for the first few years - they want to see you as little as possible, and their oil changes go 10-15k. [interestingly, if you look up oil analysis examples online, mile for mile honda steel count - which correlates to wear rate and materials quality - is of the order of ten times /less/ than that of bmw. oil breakdown stability aside, that would imply honda being able to have a longer service interval than bmw, not shorter.]
i wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't honda bowing to dealer pressure/bleating to get people back in the shop more often. dealers /want/ you in more often so they can make more money. contrast that with bmw who offer free maintenance for the first few years - they want to see you as little as possible, and their oil changes go 10-15k. [interestingly, if you look up oil analysis examples online, mile for mile honda steel count - which correlates to wear rate and materials quality - is of the order of ten times /less/ than that of bmw. oil breakdown stability aside, that would imply honda being able to have a longer service interval than bmw, not shorter.]
Did not know that. BMW goes that long, with conventional oil? And even the first? Well, maybe they want you to wear things out! Reminds me of an air pollution check on one of my old Hondas, required here in California every two years. Actual pollution line was barely off the zero, way way better than required. I guess that's why they started the "ULEV" labels and such, but I still felt like I deserved a medal, or a discount, or something, for driving such a clean car. Honda good. (of course, that doesn't really count towards the modern trendy "carbon footprint" issue, but that's another story) J.
Did not know that. BMW goes that long, with conventional oil? And even the first? Well, maybe they want you to wear things out! Reminds me of an air pollution check on one of my old Hondas, required here in California every two years. Actual pollution line was barely off the zero, way way better than required. I guess that's why they started the "ULEV" labels and such, but I still felt like I deserved a medal, or a discount, or something, for driving such a clean car. Honda good. (of course, that doesn't really count towards the modern trendy "carbon footprint" issue, but that's another story) J.
apparently. i don't know what their oil is - but i know that when it's time to change, that stuff is pretty sour. and there's a strong buildup of resin under the rocker cover. i do occasional work on a friend's 330i and my 189k 20yr old civic is cleaner under the rocker after nearly 20k on a single change of mobil 1 than the 330i after a total lifetime 30k miles and bmw oil changes. whatever they use, it's either massively over-stressed or it's not as good as what i use. carbon footprint is pretty much just how much gas you burn. smaller, more efficient clean burning engines in smaller more aero cars means lower gas consumption. the average honda may not be as good as a prius, but it's a whole lot better than the average frod, chevy, chrysler, etc.
apparently. i don't know what their oil is - but i know that when it's time to change, that stuff is pretty sour. and there's a strong buildup of resin under the rocker cover. i do occasional work on a friend's 330i and my 189k 20yr old civic is cleaner under the rocker after nearly 20k on a single change of mobil 1 than the 330i after a total lifetime 30k miles and bmw oil changes. whatever they use, it's either massively over-stressed or it's not as good as what i use. carbon footprint is pretty much just how much gas you burn. smaller, more efficient clean burning engines in smaller more aero cars means lower gas consumption. the average honda may not be as good as a prius, but it's a whole lot better than the average frod, chevy, chrysler, etc.
