New Honda Owner

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Hillbeilly, Feb 1, 2006.

  1. Hillbeilly

    Hillbeilly Guest

    Hi I'm new to the world of Honda, I've been working with 70's and 80's
    trucks for about 5 years. I was wondering what are some good ways to
    make my 97 Accord LX faster and more powerful. I want to stick with
    only mechanical options, nothing fancy on the outside, maybe pipes. Any
    ideas would be very helpful. Thanks
     
    Hillbeilly, Feb 1, 2006
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  2. i'm confused, something must be wrong with this picture. you bought a
    dependable japanese economy sedan and now you want it to drive like it's got
    a big block v8? the logic circuits must be crossed. if you wanted raw
    power there were other options available, like a different vehicle...
     
    manic mechanic, Feb 1, 2006
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  3. Hillbeilly

    Hillbeilly Guest

    Lol! I'm not thinking of trying to turn a straight-4 into a V8, I just
    want to know some ideas to add some power to my honda, nothing
    impressive, and i don't want cosmetics, lowering, spoiler, just some
    more horses under the hood, and I dealt more with torque on those
    trucks. Thanks
     
    Hillbeilly, Feb 1, 2006
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  4. Hillbeilly

    duckbill Guest

    Why not try a Nitrous System from Manchester Honda
    (1 800 489-9631)if you're serious about wanting more power. I have
    purchased numerous parts from these guys for the past five years and am
    super pleased. Good Luck.
     
    duckbill, Feb 1, 2006
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  5. some people on this newsgroup recommend Honda Tuning Magazine for
    performance tuning ideas. you could wind up spending a lot of money
    reengineering your car or you can just accept it for what it is.
     
    manic mechanic, Feb 1, 2006
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  6. Hillbeilly

    rjdriver Guest

    You might find some tips at this forum, in the Technical Garage section:

    http://www.accordinglydone.com/forum/
     
    rjdriver, Feb 2, 2006
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  7. Hillbeilly

    Janus Guest

    Basic mods that almost everyone does are intake and exhaust. Even
    a cheap 15 dollar replacement intake will give you more power at
    high rpm's. It allows the engine to get more air when it needs it.
    Otherwise you'll be depending on the stock air filter box which is
    very constrictive - designed for low to mid rpm's. At high RPM's,
    the engine can't get enough air to combust the larger amount of
    fuel. Adding an intake will give your engine a more throaty sound.

    Performance exhaust systems reduce back pressure. I've always been
    sketchy on exactly how much power this actually increases with a
    stock engine.

    Some people gut the catalytic converter. All you have to do is
    take off the catalytic converter and remove the insides and put it
    back on. This is illegal, but it reduces back pressure and adds
    horsepower. Inspectors can't tell by looking at it (which they
    usually do is a quick glance).

    Don't forget the muffler. High flow. I reccomend Burns Stainless.
    A bit expensive sometimes. Also a performance header will benefit
    you somewhat. This also reduces back-pressure.

    Performance chips. You can probably get cheap Mugen rip-off's on
    ebay. I'm not sure how well these work. I'll leave this one to the
    group. :|

    Intake manifold. An aftermarket OBX intake manifold can be had for
    cheap. More airflow, and better looking, too :> Cheap horsepower.

    Throttle body. Bigger throttle body = more air. Possibly a bad
    idea if you don't have the air to supply, but the concept holds
    true.

    Flywheel. If you've got a manual transmission and you want quicker
    RPM's, get a lightened chromoly flywheel. The flywheel helps
    maintain engine inertia by its weight. It's good for fuel economy
    to have a heavier flywheel, I guess, but it's more weight that the
    engine needs to turn. Get a lighter flywheel and the crank can
    spin up more quickly. Some flywheels are nearly half the stock
    weight, which basically equates to nearly half the spin-up time.

    Light-weight wheels. There's tons of these on the market. Less
    weight for the engine to spin. Put more of your torque power on
    the pavement. Low profile tires help, too.

    Carbon fiber parts. The great thing that hondas have going for
    them is the power/weight ratio. They are light cars. That's less
    weight that the engine has to pull. Get a carbon fiber hood to
    make it even lighter. I even went as far as completely gutting my
    interior on my crx and doing some of my own fiberglass
    fabrication.

    Ignition. Everyone preaches the MSD performance ignition. It
    provides more power for your spark plugs. Personally I think the
    difference is negligable as far as power is concerned. You'll pay
    a pretty penny for this one. Anywhere from 200 and up. Is it worth
    it? Anyone else want to comment on this?

    Underdrive pulley. You can get a specialty crank pulley that
    underdrives all the accessories but still allows them to function
    normally, thus reducing the resistance to the crank movement and
    yeilding more power.

    Cams. Buy some replacement cams for some basic tuned air intake
    and exhaust lift/timing. There are many specialized cams that
    provide different effects, depending on your engine config.

    Lightweight cam gear. Reduces turning weight. Simple enough. Some
    are adjustable to allow you to advance or retard your timing.

    Body kit. Sure it's flashy, but some body kits provide better
    aerodynamic characteristics and reduce overall weight.

    Valvetrain. The main thing that prevents you from revving beyond
    the redline is your valvetrain (besides the ECU revlimiter).
    Building up the valvetrain with high-quality forged valves,
    springs, and titanium retainers will give it much more strength
    and allow you to safely rev higher, perhaps up into the 10k to 12k
    RPM range.

    Send your head to a competant machinist to have him port and
    polish it. Basically, he will shape the ports to flow better and
    more easily. This is "porting." Stock castings are rather rough
    and have slight resistance to the incoming air. The "polishing"
    removes a lot of this roughness and allows air to move more
    readily into the cylinders (or out into the header). Also, if you
    have your head ported make sure you send along your intake
    manifold to have the manifold ports matched to the head ports.

    Crankshaft knife-edging. The counterweights on the crankshaft
    aren't very aerodynamic, and they smack into the oil reserve as
    the crank turns. Knife-edging, as done by an experienced
    machinist, involves grinding these counterweights to a knife edge
    to make them more aerodynamic, and allows them to cut through the
    oil reserve rather than smacking into it, yeilding less
    resistance, less power loss, quicker revs. If you have this done,
    make sure your crank is balanced by a machinist afterwards.

    Turbocharging. If you want to add a few pounds of boost you can
    get a cheap, bolt-on turbo kit. You don't necessarily need to
    modify the block internals if you have relatively low milage. Do
    not turbocharge if you're running high compression, as you
    experience detonation. High octane fuel and low compression is
    needed to prevent detonation. For small amounts of boost (below 7
    psi) you should get a block guard. Anything higher and you should
    get your block resleeved with ductile iron sleeves. This is
    necessary because of honda's open deck, with thin cylinder walls.
    The entire block is not made of iron. It's actually aluminum with
    iron sleeves in the cylinders. The stock sleeves are somewhat thin
    and do not have enough contact with the block to support high
    pressures and heat. Aftermarket sleeves provide more thickness and
    contact with the block. The block guard converts your open deck
    into a semi-closed deck, builds strength in the walls and helps
    prevent the cylinders from moving. It's still not enough for high
    boost.

    If you want 10 to 20 pounds of boost, you'll need some serious
    cash. Plan on investing in re-sleeving your block with thicker
    ductile iron sleeves (ie. Darton, Golden Eagle, etc..), and other
    high-quality, high-dollar parts, like forged pistons, forged rods,
    bearings, lubrication system, coolant system, fuel system and
    possibly a forged crank, specialty gaskets, engine management
    system (neptune, hondata) and professional dyno tuning. In short,
    high boost is for the rich kids.

    Even if you're not turbocharging, replacement pistons could prove
    beneficial in many ways. First off, there are many aftermarket
    pistons to suit almost any need. In your position, if you're not
    going for high boost (I wouldn't), get some light weight forged
    pistons and ligh weight forged rods. While you're at it, you may
    as well get some superior rings that reduce blowby.

    Nitrous. DON'T DO IT. Nitrous is basically oxygen enrichment and
    allows you to burn more fuel. Nitrous requires a rich air fuel
    mixture, like turbos, and burns VERY hot. Opt for low compression,
    high octane. You're risking a lot, like burning a hole straight
    thru your block if anything, not to mention detonation or cracking
    your cylinders. My friend was running a small shot of NOS on his
    B16, running rich with a perfect setup. It wasn't long before it
    detonated. The piston he brought me looked like a pancake. NOS is
    safe for some people and not for others. I wouldn't risk it unless
    you're willing to lose your engine. Building a proper NOS system
    will require many mods that you would need for a turbocharged
    system anyways, so you may as well opt for a turbo.

    "Turbo kit. $3500. Engine mods. $6500. Wishing you'd paid a little
    extra for a knock sensor after you lose everything. Priceless."

    That's all I can think of right now. I'm tired and just blah.
    Anyone feel free to add to this list, scrutinize it, correct my
    spelling (spelling nazi's suck) or whatever. Overall, my two
    favorite mods are the flywheel and intake. They're a good place to
    start.
     
    Janus, Feb 6, 2006
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  8. Be aware that in the '97 (and in any OBDII cars, which are all new cars sold
    in the US starting January 1996 and a few before that) destroying the
    catalyst will permanently turn on the "check engine" light due to "low
    catalyst efficiency." In addition, you will fail any emission inspection
    that meets present EPA standards (IM240, IIRC) if you are in the US.

    Mike
     
    Michael Pardee, Feb 7, 2006
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