Now here's a cool car

I don't think it's a large subset. There are odd people in every
group. I consider myself pretty green but understand the need for
power and some of the offsets and most people do as well.

What is the objection to STG? That would seem a pretty benign
technology. I do prefer solar panels and would love to do it to my
house but it is still pretty expensive. I don't see any way to do STG
locally but lining a roof with panels would be pretty easy.

I'm all for wind power; it may just be that I'm getting older but I
bike a lot and the wind seems to be getting stronger all the time.
Part of it is that I'm getting weaker but there seem to be a lot of
days with 15-20 mph winds and that used to be pretty rare around here.
Oddly, it always seems to be a headwind.

There was a lot of objection to an offshore wind farm on Long Island
lately but that had Greens on both side of the issue. I liked the idea
even though I spend a lot of time at the beach; a bunch of windmills a
few miles offshore is probably ok. But I do surf and wouldn't want it
to mess up the waves...

 

Lowers the albedo of the desert. Threatens fragile desert ecosystems
(this with respect to solar thermal in the US desert southwest).

 

If it is enough heat to raise the temperature of the river several
degrees, even after it mixes, then there is certainly enough thermal
mass there to retain some of the the heat for such a short distance.

 

Granted, it was back in the 1980s, but when I went on a plant tour (yes,
at that time nuke plants could have plant tours open to the general
public), but the way I remember it, the Joseph Farley plant in Alabama
didn't use much at all in the way of river water, because the river was
simply too small to serve as enough of a heat sink.

Therefore, their system involves what look like large air conditioning
condensers.

It could be they suck in the water and do evaporative cooling with their
fans (which is probably far more likely), but I was given the impression
they were 100% air cooled.

Certainly, having a nuke plant far from water is a rare thing, but I
think one of the South African plants is quite far away from water.

However, there are certainly coal plants that are quite far from water,
and they need cooling capacity just like a nuke plant does. Witness the
one near Farmington, New Mexico. There isn't even much in the way of
sewage water too cool that thing. There are a fair number of coal
plants throughout the west that are in similar circumstances.

 

Aha, but where's my "Left wing socialist alert!" post??!!

Good question, 2003 Accord I4 Sedan with 5AT, 68,000 miles - <knocking
on wood> it's been a real gem so far, although a little big for me,
Acura's TSX looks more my size.

 

FEH! Light weight/small carbon footprint bicycles only!

 

HUH? Did the SDCC survive the collapse of the USSR in 1991 (or thereabouts)?

Did the really have diesel powered computers? That could be cool!

 

True, but it *is* subject to change. <I hope>

 

Speaking of a "Right wing asshole alert!"!

"Always" is one of those fight-starting words. The last 10 years hardly
suggest that you're right about the private sector.

<not calling you an asshole, BTW, or the other poster>

While discussing gummint, let me axe you a question, Grover Norquist is
famously quoted as saying he'd like to reduce the federal gummint small
enough so he can drown it in the bathtub. ... Okay, let's assume he just
managed to do it, then what?

 

Cool! And good post!

 

Exactly what do you mean here? Please don't say it has anything to do
with the energy situation & Enron.

(minor nit: it's "amok" not "amuck", no such work AFAIK)

 

Let's assume not and chalk it up to the private sector. IIRC this was
done circa 1948, we need to focus more recently, not to mention someone
mentioned the pharma companies.

Good for Jack!

I'm certain there are many beside me here who can quote massive
mismanagement and waste in the private sector as well. Gummint has no
monopoly on this sort of thing.

 

Ah, yes, the bad old days.

 

Free food for the masses --- looks like win-win to me!

 

But mismanagment in the private sector is reflected in it's profits or lack
of such,and the managers are responsible to their board of directors and
stockholders.It tends to be self-correcting. Businesses that don't operate
efficiently tend to go out of business,or get bought up by others who turn
that business around or lose their investment.

Government is not that way,or at least has a FAR longer time for
corrections to take effect,if at all.It's extremely inefficient,and that's
a good thing,as long as gov't is kept small and unintrusive.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

 

The world would be a better place.

 

I'm not sure eating out of the Hudson River will ever be advisable.

 

Yep, perfect for all them thar' yankees up in the rust belt in January!

JT

 

What I mean here is simply that guv'ment cannot be all things to all
people...

There is in my "book," as muck is exactly what california finds itself
stuck in..

JT

 

You think that things are better today???

JT