Oil Filter Has Changed?

I just went into the local Honda shop to pick oil filters for my '88
Civic and '01 Odyssey (same filter). They gave me a different filter
than I've used for 15 years on the Civic and three years on the
Odyssey. I spoke with the parts guy, and he told me Honda changed the
part a little while ago, and he assured me this new one (smaller in
diameter, a little taller) is the correct one.

Is it?

Did they change the filter? If so, when? I can't find anything on
the web about this.

 

STP 2808, $2.99 at Autozone.

All I've ever used.

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With ZEX 85 hp ZEX 13.09 @ 103 mph, 1.81 60ft.
86 Pontiac Trans Am
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I went to my local Acura dealer to get an oil filter for my 2001
Integra GSR. I used a specific filter with a part number I recognize.
I was given a much smaller one (looked really tiny) and I said it was
the wrong one. The parts guy said the older filter was recalled due to
leakage problems. What? I used the same model filter six times in the
last two years and had no leaks. I bought the smaller one and
installed it on my car. I then called around other Acura dealers and
was told by several that Honda is making some filters suitable to fit
more models of their cars. The recall/leakage story wasn't true at
all. It would have been better to say they were changed to be
adaptable to more vehicles versus a negative story of a filter having a
rather catostrophic problem.

I prefer the older bigger filters so it's a matter of finding any
remaining stock of the older ones (in case of my Integra).

 

(User) spake unto the masses in

Yes they did. I posted exactly this a couple of days ago.

Tightening specs are different as well. Old one was 15-17 ft. lbs, new one
is 8-10.

I notice the oil pressure light goes off quicker on a cold start now. Takes
less time to fill the smaller can, I guess.

 

If your oil light is staying on for more than one second you may have a oil
pump pickup screen that is a little dirty. Fairly common on higher mileage
Hondas.

 

I just went into the local Honda shop to pick oil filters for my '88

The return valve works better small.-IMO I sleep better knowing the oil did
not drained into the pan overnight. I like my bearings nicely lubricated each
morning.

 

Just compared the two (old and new). The orange anti-drainback flap is the
same size on both. The inlet holes are slightly smaller in the new one.

Left overnight, some oil drains out of the filter regardless, as the
drainback flap is not a perfect seal against the base plate.

 

Just compared the two (old and new). The orange anti-drainback flap is the
same size on both. The inlet holes are slightly smaller in the new one.

Left overnight, some oil drains out of the filter regardless, as the
drainback flap is not a perfect seal against the base plate.

 

Just compared the two (old and new). The orange anti-drainback flap is the
same size on both. The inlet holes are slightly smaller in the new one.

Left overnight, some oil drains out of the filter regardless, as the
drainback flap is not a perfect seal against the base plate.

 

Just compared the two (old and new). The orange anti-drainback flap is the
same size on both. The inlet holes are slightly smaller in the new one.

Left overnight, some oil drains out of the filter regardless, as the
drainback flap is not a perfect seal against the base plate.

 

Sorry for the milutple posts!! Got errors on my end!

 

did you plug the center hole for your test?

 

No. I didn't do any test. I just compared the contents of a freshly-removed
filter from a warm engine and one removed after draining overnight.

Since you mention it though, I guess quite a bit of oil *would* have
drained back through the outlet hole after seeping through the filtration
medium, wouldn't it?

That would reduce the contents of the filter to some, oh, <eyeballs filter>
about 35-40% of full capacity by the next startup, even if the drainback
flap were a perfect seal.

Therefore, a smaller can would result in less time to fill and let the
engine develop pressure sooner on startup.

 

Good observation.

A 1988 Honda connecting rod knocked for one sec during cold start. Turns out
someone used cheap after-market filter. A Honda filter fixed it. A smaller
can, as you said, in conjunction with a good seal makes a difference.

 

goodness, i'm glad this discussion was already progressing... today, i
went to the honda dealer to buy oil filters + washers fer my s.o.'s 2002
v6 accord, bought new and now has 92,000 miles, since we've always done
the oil changes ourselves every 3 to 4,000 miles and was quite frankly
alarmed at how small these new oil filters are, fer which i called the
other dealer where he bought the accord to confirm that this new smaller
filter was the correct one... at the dealership that i bought these new
oil filters, i asked to compare 'em with the old larger filter and the
contact point appeared the same, just not as wide, though a lil longer
and was told that it wouldn't take as much hand strength to tighten to
spec, though we're still a lil concerned, given how much smaller it is,
whether the fit will be good, but on sunday, we'll find out, when we do
our oil changes... other than normal maintenance, we've only had to
change a computer chip, though soon we'll be having the timing belt
changed, fer which we'd be interested as to how much a dealer should
charge?... and we use ta take our accords to a non-dealer shop that
specialized in hondas, yet thus far, we've just taken his 2002 to one
dealer who has done right by us and they're easier fer him to get to
with his work...

 

(kat) spake unto the masses in :

I think the hand-tightening was one reason they made them different. I have
heard of problems with leakage in cold weather from insufficiently
tightened filters with the older size, which required almost twice the
tightening torque.

I've got a new one on the Integra right now. It fits fine and doesn't leak.
If anything the smaller can seems to allow the engine to build oil pressure
faster on startup. The oil light goes out just a tick more quickly.

 

thank ya "tegger"... and y'all have a very merry christmas!...