Orange "ABS Light"

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Will, Oct 10, 2003.

  1. Will

    Will Guest

    Hello,
    When I initially start my '97 Honda Accord EX everything is good. No
    lights or signals. After about 1 minute I hear something click once
    over in front of the front passenger seat. It may be coming from the
    glove compartment. Right when I hear the click an orange "ABS" light
    comes on over to the right of the speedometer.

    Sometimes when I first crank the car(in the morning) I hear some type
    of pump; it sounds like an aquarium air pump coming from the front on
    the driver's side. It turns off after about a minute or two. I spoke
    with a mechanic and he pointed to a tall cylinder above the front
    driver's side wheel. He said that this cylinder may compress the ABS
    system. But he doesn't specialize in Hondas or Break Systems. Can
    anyone confirm this and how serious is this? Will my breaks totally
    fail? How much does it cost to replace? Is this even the
    problem?--Thanks in advance!
    -will
     
    Will, Oct 10, 2003
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  2. Will

    John Ings Guest

    The ABS system has failed its self test. Did you check your brake
    fluid levels? Is the park brake fully off?
    That's the ABS pump charging the system. It's normal.
    If the ABS light is lit you will have no 'stutter' of the brakes when
    a wheel locks up. Marginally less safe in some situations, depending
    on how good a driver you are.
    Depends what's wrong. It can be expensive.
     
    John Ings, Oct 10, 2003
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  3. Will

    E. Meyer Guest

    You can read out the trouble code from it and then make a diagnosis. If you
    are hearing the pump for awhile and then the light comes on, that usually
    means the system is not able to maintain pressure.

    The little can your mechanic pointed out is part of the system, but it is
    probably not the cause of the problem.

    The ABS module is very expensive (about $1000 US) if it needs to be
    replaced. But read the code first and see what its problem is.

    On the bright side, the ABS is separate from the main brakes. You can
    ignore it forever if you don't want to fix it. The car will behave the same
    as if it never had ABS in the first place.
     
    E. Meyer, Oct 10, 2003
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  4. Will

    TL Guest

    Is that true? My impression was that the proportioning valves / some
    other aspects of the braking system are different if you have ABS. Am
    I wrong?
     
    TL, Oct 10, 2003
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  5. Will

    E. Meyer Guest

    In the system Honda was using in '97, the important thing is that the main
    brakes are separated from the ABS such that if the ABS stops working, the
    main brakes are unaffected.

    There are some physical differences, but when the ABS is not engaged, the
    main brakes pass straight through and there is no difference in behavior
    from a car that doesn't have it.
     
    E. Meyer, Oct 10, 2003
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  6. Will

    ajpdla Guest

    Either a communication failure between the components of the system itself
    or fluid levels. I have a '95 Passport and my lights come on
    intermittently. I'm told it's a wheel sensor or, from my book, the system
    sets the ligth off when it can't "authenticate" to its own system components
    at various checks along the way. Wheel sensor quoted to me at about
    $80-$100, but no guarantee it's the sensor. Some people have said they've
    been able to clean their sensors and have the problem disappear altogether.
    I haven't had time to perform this operation yet.

    AJPDLA
     
    ajpdla, Oct 10, 2003
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  7. As others have said, your ABS system has thrown a code and failed to
    activate... probaly because it couldn't get the system up to working
    pressure.
    The pump you hear is the ABS pump trying to pressurize the system - it
    should not last more than a few seconds. Check the ABS brake fluid level
    *and* condition - if the level is low and/or the fluid is dark looking, you
    *may* be able to avoid costly work if you change it. The modulator unit,
    pic here: http://makeashorterlink.com/?L20561D26, is probably not holding
    pressure at its seals and leaking internally back to the reservoir - very
    expensive to replace.

    Also check for any fluid leaks around the modulator - those models have
    plugs in the modulator which can leak and if caught early can be
    re-adjusted.

    Your brakes should continue to work OK without the ABS system in action.

    Rgds, George Macdonald

    "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
     
    George Macdonald, Oct 11, 2003
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  8. As others have said, your ABS system has thrown a code and failed to
    activate... probaly because it couldn't get the system up to working
    pressure.
    The pump you hear is the ABS pump trying to pressurize the system - it
    should not last more than a few seconds. Check the ABS brake fluid level
    *and* condition - if the level is low and/or the fluid is dark looking, you
    *may* be able to avoid costly work if you change it. The modulator unit,
    pic here: http://makeashorterlink.com/?L20561D26, is probably not holding
    pressure at its seals and leaking internally back to the reservoir - very
    expensive to replace.

    Also check for any fluid leaks around the modulator - those models have
    plugs in the modulator which can leak and if caught early can be
    re-adjusted.

    Your brakes should continue to work OK without the ABS system in action.

    Rgds, George Macdonald

    "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
     
    George Macdonald, Oct 11, 2003
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  9. Will

    dimmi Guest

    wheel sensor is just an inductive magnet - dirt doesn't affect it. clearance
    between teeth on the wheel hub/ halfshaft is supposedly 1-2 mm, therefore if
    teeth are rusted, there is too much clearance and magnet doesnt pick up
    teeth movement.
     
    dimmi, Oct 11, 2003
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