oxygen sensors

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by z, Sep 15, 2008.

  1. OEM for sure.
     
    Eternal Searcher, Sep 23, 2008
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    z Guest

    wow. they're cheaper, too!
     
    z, Sep 23, 2008
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    z Guest

    wow. they're cheaper, too!
     
    z, Sep 23, 2008
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    Steve Guest


    I don't know if they re-sell Denso, but they might. More likely, they
    sell the same Chinese-made junk that Denso buys for some applications.
    They DO use much poorer builders and processes for some of their
    aftermarket parts for the same application where their OEM parts are
    quite good.
     
    Steve, Sep 23, 2008
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    Steve Guest


    I don't know if they re-sell Denso, but they might. More likely, they
    sell the same Chinese-made junk that Denso buys for some applications.
    They DO use much poorer builders and processes for some of their
    aftermarket parts for the same application where their OEM parts are
    quite good.
     
    Steve, Sep 23, 2008
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    z Guest

    as it turned out: bad wire; which fixed, allowed the ecu to tell me my
    o2 sensor was bad.
     
    z, Sep 25, 2008
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    z Guest

    as it turned out: bad wire; which fixed, allowed the ecu to tell me my
    o2 sensor was bad.
     
    z, Sep 25, 2008
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    johngdole Guest

    I don't work for Bosch . Just here to talk about the good, bad and
    ugly of cars.

    We all have different experiences I certainly respect that. I don't
    doubt your bad experiences with Bosch, but I've had excellent luck
    with them. Especially the planar types, using them to fix cheap Denso
    junk related problems like the P0420 converter efficiency problem (no
    converter replacement necessary). As some pointed out, Honda actually
    uses Bosch in some cars. Toyota TSBs replaced wideband Denso junk.

    http://www.boschautoparts.com/Products/OxygenSensors/PlanarO2.htm

    If Denso junk work then use them. Fram oil filters and Bridgestone
    tires work for many too. So the owner decides.
     
    johngdole, Sep 26, 2008
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    johngdole Guest

    I don't work for Bosch . Just here to talk about the good, bad and
    ugly of cars.

    We all have different experiences I certainly respect that. I don't
    doubt your bad experiences with Bosch, but I've had excellent luck
    with them. Especially the planar types, using them to fix cheap Denso
    junk related problems like the P0420 converter efficiency problem (no
    converter replacement necessary). As some pointed out, Honda actually
    uses Bosch in some cars. Toyota TSBs replaced wideband Denso junk.

    http://www.boschautoparts.com/Products/OxygenSensors/PlanarO2.htm

    If Denso junk work then use them. Fram oil filters and Bridgestone
    tires work for many too. So the owner decides.
     
    johngdole, Sep 26, 2008
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    johngdole Guest

    OEM (most likely made by NGK, like OEM plugs). And NGK Laser-
    Iridiums.
     
    johngdole, Sep 26, 2008
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    johngdole Guest

    OEM (most likely made by NGK, like OEM plugs). And NGK Laser-
    Iridiums.
     
    johngdole, Sep 26, 2008
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    johngdole Guest

    Most Hondas use better parts like NGK spark plugs (I prefer NGK
    Iridium-IX or Laser-Iridiums), Nissin/Findlex/Akebono brake pads, and
    Gates timing belts, not the cheaper Denso, NBK pads or Mitsuboshi/
    Bando that's showing up more unfortunately these days.

    IMO Denso's lower tech stuff work fine. More sophisticated things like
    ABS module they still have to use Bosch or licensed builds from Bosch.
     
    johngdole, Sep 26, 2008
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    johngdole Guest

    Most Hondas use better parts like NGK spark plugs (I prefer NGK
    Iridium-IX or Laser-Iridiums), Nissin/Findlex/Akebono brake pads, and
    Gates timing belts, not the cheaper Denso, NBK pads or Mitsuboshi/
    Bando that's showing up more unfortunately these days.

    IMO Denso's lower tech stuff work fine. More sophisticated things like
    ABS module they still have to use Bosch or licensed builds from Bosch.
     
    johngdole, Sep 26, 2008
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    Tegger Guest

    wrote in @s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com:


    I think they come OEM with Denso plugs, like Toyota.




    And Sumitomo.




    Unitta, actually. Gates now owns Unitta, but it's still Unitta.

    Maybe North American-built cars use Gates branded belts.




    Honda has used Mitsuboshi and Bando as OEM for V-belts and ribbed accessory
    drive belts respectively for at least twenty years, if not longer.
     
    Tegger, Sep 26, 2008
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    Tegger Guest

    wrote in @s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com:


    I think they come OEM with Denso plugs, like Toyota.




    And Sumitomo.




    Unitta, actually. Gates now owns Unitta, but it's still Unitta.

    Maybe North American-built cars use Gates branded belts.




    Honda has used Mitsuboshi and Bando as OEM for V-belts and ribbed accessory
    drive belts respectively for at least twenty years, if not longer.
     
    Tegger, Sep 26, 2008
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    jim beam Guest

    what's wrong with bando? not only are they oem, i've been using them
    for years and they've been great.
     
    jim beam, Sep 26, 2008
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    jim beam Guest

    what's wrong with bando? not only are they oem, i've been using them
    for years and they've been great.
     
    jim beam, Sep 26, 2008
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    jim beam Guest

    with respect, i think you're confused. just because a sensor is
    wideband, doesn't mean it's bosch or some kind of re-labeled bosch.



    so exactly why do you think denso are junk? i've worked with both - not
    only is denso better build quality, they last longer. i ask because i
    don't understand what you're looking for that makes the difference to you.

    if you mean that just because it fudges a "pass" on a smog check because
    it has looser tolerances aimed for exactly that purpose, /i/ don't think
    that makes it better quality, i think it makes is a fudge.
     
    jim beam, Sep 26, 2008
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    jim beam Guest

    with respect, i think you're confused. just because a sensor is
    wideband, doesn't mean it's bosch or some kind of re-labeled bosch.



    so exactly why do you think denso are junk? i've worked with both - not
    only is denso better build quality, they last longer. i ask because i
    don't understand what you're looking for that makes the difference to you.

    if you mean that just because it fudges a "pass" on a smog check because
    it has looser tolerances aimed for exactly that purpose, /i/ don't think
    that makes it better quality, i think it makes is a fudge.
     
    jim beam, Sep 26, 2008
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    me Guest

    Wow

    I'm having that very same code on my 2000 Mazda
    Protege!

    Could it be the sensor instead of the converter?
     
    me, Sep 26, 2008
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