Ping Elle, Tegger

The stats are from Honda for those, (Gen II), years. I put one in my
other '82 and it solved an overheating problem in it. I have high
confidence in the Honda labeled product.

The boiling pot test is way to involved for me.

JT

 

Well maybe since it's turning on late...

JT

 

I'm interested in learning more about the innards of the 3bbl carbs
especially the power valve circuit. I have a persistent problem of the
power valve draining the carb overnight on all four operating gen II's.

I'm giving serious consideration to changing over to the Webber solution
on the daily drivers.

Don't mother-in-laws generally sit in the back seat?

<G>

JT

 

I'm not familiar with that carb. Give more info about this draining.
Usually a power valve that is open (vacuum actuated) or closed
(mechanically actuated), when the engine is not operating, does
nothing. Fuel is in the float bowl, it is drawn UP the pipe (fuel
nozzle) to the venturi when the engine is running off idle. The fuel
goes through the main jet(s) first, from the bowl. When the power
valve opens, it allows additional fuel to be drawn UP the pipe (fuel
nozzle). Power valves are usually open (vacuum actuated) when the
engine is not running. High manifold vacuum (throttle valve not open
much) keeps the power valve closed. Wide-open-throttle, when the
engine needs more fuel delivered to the venturi, manifold vacuum
drops to about zero, power valve opens.

Is the float bowl empty of gas after sitting overnight?

Good point... I think they're supposed to sit in the back seat... they
may have different opinions about that though. Especially the ones
that want to 'assist'.

 

then you have a leak. enrichment pump diaphragm or maybe even porosity
of the bowl material. as m.a.s. points out, fuel is drawn /up/ out of
the bowl by partial vacuums - it is not gravity fed anywhere, and thus
cannot drain unless there is a significant problem.

 

In the 3bbl, it comes out the bottom.

If I had my druthers, I'd prefer a design without a power valve. I just
don't see an advantage.

The old Stromberg 2bbls and AFBs were great carbs and neither had a
power valve. Very trouble free and when it came time for a rebuild, it
was a simple task.

Yep

JT

 

Not according to the shop manual... The power valve sits on the bottom
of the carb..

JT

 

time to upgrade to fuel injection dude. unless you're running something
like two twin weber dcoe40's, fuel injection is absolutely the way to go.

http://www.bgsoflex.com/megasquirt.html





nomina rutrum rutrum

 

No computer will ever see the light of day in any car I (willingly) own.

I do think that the Webber option may be a solution for daily drivers
though..

JT

 

What is not according to the shop manual? Is the float bowl completely empty?
You wont know that unless you take the top off the carb off. Just because
you can't see fuel through the sight glass does not mean its completely
drained.

Fuel normally evaporates out of the float bowl (it's supposed to be
captured by the evaporative control system), but it would take weeks to
evaporate all the fuel out. If the fuel level really goes down a lot
overnight, the engine will take many cranks to start up in the morning
(the fuel pump has to fill up the float bowl which takes time). Is it
doing that?

Maybe the casting has a crack in it. Maybe a drill-way plug is leaking
(if it has drill-way plugs). Drill-ways are holes drilled into the casting
to intersect other drill-ways if a circuit (a drill-way) has to change
directions. The plugs are usually brass or lead or soft steel or aluminium.



The power valve sits on the bottom

Just like almost every other carb. The fuel has to go UP the nozzle to the
venturi, which is above the fuel level. Is the evap system pressurizing
the float bowl?

But a carburettor is a computer! It's not an electronic computer, its
a mechanical/hydraulic/pneumatic computer! Some do have electric
inputs (i.e. an electric choke heater). It's programed (calibrated) to
deliver the proper fuel mixture (which is dynamic, depending on what
the engine has to do).

A diesel engine fuel pump is a computer also, a mechanical computer.

A distributor is a computer (vacuum advance/mechanical advance).

Textile looms from the eighteen-hundreds were mechanical computers,
and player pianos. etc.

Fix what ya got. Is a Webber a fix? Maybe... I don't know. Will a Webber
pass your state emissions?

 

This is a recurring problem with all of my current gen II Civics. I
believe the culprit is not the carb but one of the control boxes.

I have no idea... I would just like to disable whatever the offending
item is.

I would compare all of the above to ROM, not a processor.

Car is over twenty-five years old... Exempt from emissions..

JT

 

On 09/07/2010 02:31 PM, M.A. Stewart wrote:

they are all indeed - well said!

[add automatic transmissions to that list]

 

that would be a terrible misconception. a carburetor "calculates" fuel
delivery output based on a number of dynamic inputs.

 

Thank you.

I forgot about that. The AT valve-bodies look just like a circuit board...
with ATF oil molecules running around in them instead of electrons.