Plastic vs. aluminum radiator

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Pete from Boston, Sep 5, 2006.

  1. I need a new radiator in my 90 Accord (155K) -- ridiculous leak and I'd
    just rather put something new in than mess around with
    patching/welding. I've been reading through a lot of radiator
    replacement discussions in here and given the amount of time I've
    already spent looking at and playing with it, I'm willing to give doing
    it myself a shot.

    That said, I'm wondering about the pros/cons of plastic and aluminum
    tanks. Having had leaks on two plastic-tanked radiators, I'd rather go
    with aluminum if that's going to tend to develop leaks less. Someone
    mentioned aluminum being heavier -- is this going to make any
    substantial difference other than ease of installation?

    The prices on the ones I'm seeing listed on line are all reasonable,
    but I don't see a lot of detailed info on one vs. another (which is
    info much more in abundance on this group, thankfully).

    Any opinions/recommendations?
     
    Pete from Boston, Sep 5, 2006
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  2. Pete from Boston

    N.E.Ohio Bob Guest

    I bought one (plastic) with a lifetime guarantee, and it needed re-done
    (by me) a few years later. They gave me a new one without any problems.
    KEEP the receipt. bob
     
    N.E.Ohio Bob, Sep 5, 2006
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  3. Pete from Boston

    N.E.Ohio Bob Guest

    I bought one (plastic) with a lifetime guarantee, and it needed re-done
    (by me) a few years later. They gave me a new one without any problems.
    KEEP the receipt. bob
     
    N.E.Ohio Bob, Sep 5, 2006
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  4. I bought a new radiator for my 90 accord from radiator barn to replace
    the original composite radiator that had developed a split. Seems
    like I paid a little over a hundred bucks for it. Recieved it in two
    days.

    It was metal (all aluminum ?, I don't think so). Fit perfectly,
    relatively easy to replace, took about two hours. Did it about a year
    ago, so far so good, but good warranty at any rate.

    I'm in a no snow area, you should get opinions from locals that deal
    with the cold, snow, salt, sand cycle you have to deal with with
    regard to material selection.

    Frank
     
    Frank Boettcher, Sep 5, 2006
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  5. Thanks, I hadn't considered the effect of the elements on the
    materials. Good point to consider.
     
    Pete from Boston, Sep 5, 2006
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  6. Pete from Boston

    TeGGeR® Guest



    All-aluminum is best. If you can find one these days. They're getting
    harder to locate.

    An important point to remember is that the rad MUST be free-floating.
    When the upper mounts are bolted down, the rad should be LOOSE even when
    the engine is hot. It should wiggle very easily. If it is snugly mounted
    and not easily movable, excessive stress is placed on the tanks, leading
    to a greater probability of fractures.
     
    TeGGeR®, Sep 6, 2006
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  7. Pete from Boston

    TeGGeR® Guest



    All-aluminum is best. If you can find one these days. They're getting
    harder to locate.

    An important point to remember is that the rad MUST be free-floating.
    When the upper mounts are bolted down, the rad should be LOOSE even when
    the engine is hot. It should wiggle very easily. If it is snugly mounted
    and not easily movable, excessive stress is placed on the tanks, leading
    to a greater probability of fractures.
     
    TeGGeR®, Sep 6, 2006
    #7
  8. Pete from Boston

    Art Guest

    Indeed I was surprised how loose radiators are these days. My father
    destroyed the front of his 2004 Saturn. After it was fixed I was checking
    it over and I couldn't believe how loose the radiator was. I brought the
    car back and they said it was right the way it was. I drove over to Saturn
    dealer and checked the new ones out..... yep.... they are loose all right.
     
    Art, Sep 6, 2006
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  9. Pete from Boston

    Art Guest

    Indeed I was surprised how loose radiators are these days. My father
    destroyed the front of his 2004 Saturn. After it was fixed I was checking
    it over and I couldn't believe how loose the radiator was. I brought the
    car back and they said it was right the way it was. I drove over to Saturn
    dealer and checked the new ones out..... yep.... they are loose all right.
     
    Art, Sep 6, 2006
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  10. Pete from Boston

    Elbert Guest

    anytime I can avoid a plastic tank radiator its a good thing
     
    Elbert, Sep 6, 2006
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  11. Pete from Boston

    jim beam Guest

    there's nothing wrong with plastic, provided two conditions are met:

    1. as tegger says, it needs to be loosely mounted.
    2. there needs to be normal pressure in the system, not excess due to a
    leaking head gasket.

    regarding 2, a lot of times, radiators are replaced because of
    "overheating". a low level head gasket leak can persist for a long
    time, with the chemical and pressure stress that places on the system.
    if a radiator cracks under those conditions because a prompt and
    effective diagnosis of the root cause was not made, i don't think
    there's a huge amount to complain about.

    fyi, plastic/aluminum are a great combo for internal corrosion
    resistance and seal persistence - that's why they're used. just make
    sure you don't buy the cheapest one and you should be ok.
     
    jim beam, Sep 6, 2006
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  12. Pete from Boston

    jim beam Guest

    there's nothing wrong with plastic, provided two conditions are met:

    1. as tegger says, it needs to be loosely mounted.
    2. there needs to be normal pressure in the system, not excess due to a
    leaking head gasket.

    regarding 2, a lot of times, radiators are replaced because of
    "overheating". a low level head gasket leak can persist for a long
    time, with the chemical and pressure stress that places on the system.
    if a radiator cracks under those conditions because a prompt and
    effective diagnosis of the root cause was not made, i don't think
    there's a huge amount to complain about.

    fyi, plastic/aluminum are a great combo for internal corrosion
    resistance and seal persistence - that's why they're used. just make
    sure you don't buy the cheapest one and you should be ok.
     
    jim beam, Sep 6, 2006
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  13. Pete from Boston

    Earle Horton Guest

    The radiator in my Jeep is rigidly mounted to the front grille, but the
    hoses are about two feet long each.

    Earle
     
    Earle Horton, Sep 6, 2006
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  14. Pete from Boston

    Earle Horton Guest

    The radiator in my Jeep is rigidly mounted to the front grille, but the
    hoses are about two feet long each.

    Earle
     
    Earle Horton, Sep 6, 2006
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  15. Pete from Boston

    Jim Yanik Guest

    Radiators expand and contract with temp changes.

    and we ain't talking about Jeeps. :cool:
     
    Jim Yanik, Sep 6, 2006
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  16. Pete from Boston

    Jim Yanik Guest

    Radiators expand and contract with temp changes.

    and we ain't talking about Jeeps. :cool:
     
    Jim Yanik, Sep 6, 2006
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  17. Pete from Boston

    Earle Horton Guest

    Everything in the car expands and contracts with temp changes. You can
    either install two foot long radiator hoses, or put up with a floppy
    radiator. ;^)

    Earle
     
    Earle Horton, Sep 6, 2006
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  18. Pete from Boston

    Earle Horton Guest

    Everything in the car expands and contracts with temp changes. You can
    either install two foot long radiator hoses, or put up with a floppy
    radiator. ;^)

    Earle
     
    Earle Horton, Sep 6, 2006
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  19. The reason for "floppy" radiator installation is to minimize the effects
    of torsional stress. All frames/bodies flex which ain't good for any
    high pressure vessel...

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, Sep 6, 2006
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  20. The reason for "floppy" radiator installation is to minimize the effects
    of torsional stress. All frames/bodies flex which ain't good for any
    high pressure vessel...

    JT
     
    Grumpy AuContraire, Sep 6, 2006
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