Please check my Calculations

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by yahmed, Jun 3, 2004.

  1. yahmed

    Caroline Guest

    Not when you use the correct figure to four significant digits of 12.95.
    Actually, both

    (580 / 1.6093) / (49 / 3.785) = 27.8, to the nearest tenth, rounding the final
    result correctly.

    and

    360.4 / 12.95 = 27.8, to the nearest tenth, rounding the final result correctly

    If you want to get into the rules of significant digits rounding, feel free. But
    I suspect
     
    Caroline, Jun 4, 2004
    #21
  2. yahmed

    Caroline Guest

    Not when you use the correct figure to four significant digits of 12.95.
    Actually, both

    (580 / 1.6093) / (49 / 3.785) = 27.8, to the nearest tenth, rounding the final
    result correctly.

    and

    360.4 / 12.95 = 27.8, to the nearest tenth, rounding the final result correctly

    If you want to get into the rules of significant digits rounding, feel free. But
    I suspect
     
    Caroline, Jun 4, 2004
    #22
  3. yahmed

    Misterbeets Guest

    I would like to get into those rules. What do you think of my practice of
    rounding numbers that end in 5: even numbers like 85 go down to 8; odd like
    75 go up to 8. That way, on average, no bias is introduced.
     
    Misterbeets, Jun 4, 2004
    #23
  4. yahmed

    Misterbeets Guest

    I would like to get into those rules. What do you think of my practice of
    rounding numbers that end in 5: even numbers like 85 go down to 8; odd like
    75 go up to 8. That way, on average, no bias is introduced.
     
    Misterbeets, Jun 4, 2004
    #24
  5. yahmed

    Caroline Guest

    This is a test, right?

    85 is not an even number. ;-)

    Otherwise, whether your rule is useful depends on your mathematical goal.
     
    Caroline, Jun 4, 2004
    #25
  6. yahmed

    Caroline Guest

    This is a test, right?

    85 is not an even number. ;-)

    Otherwise, whether your rule is useful depends on your mathematical goal.
     
    Caroline, Jun 4, 2004
    #26
  7. yahmed

    Cosmin N. Guest

    There's an easier way by using the Google calculator. :p For those that
    do not know about it, here's how:

    1. You need to know how many km/l your car can drive, which is very easy:

    580km / 49l = 11.86km/l

    2. Go to www.google.com and type in the search box:

    11.86km/l = ? miles/gallon

    The answer google returned was 27.89 miles/gallon which is very close to
    your result. The default in google is in US gallons, but you can specify
    Imperial (British) gallons as well.

    Give the Google calculator a try, it really comes in handy, and not just
    for converting from metric to imperial (and vice-versa).

    Cosmin
     
    Cosmin N., Jun 4, 2004
    #27
  8. yahmed

    Cosmin N. Guest

    There's an easier way by using the Google calculator. :p For those that
    do not know about it, here's how:

    1. You need to know how many km/l your car can drive, which is very easy:

    580km / 49l = 11.86km/l

    2. Go to www.google.com and type in the search box:

    11.86km/l = ? miles/gallon

    The answer google returned was 27.89 miles/gallon which is very close to
    your result. The default in google is in US gallons, but you can specify
    Imperial (British) gallons as well.

    Give the Google calculator a try, it really comes in handy, and not just
    for converting from metric to imperial (and vice-versa).

    Cosmin
     
    Cosmin N., Jun 4, 2004
    #28
  9. yahmed

    yahmed Guest

    Thank you all who replied...

    Arthur, if you get some data on when to change gears, please post that to group.
     
    yahmed, Jun 4, 2004
    #29
  10. yahmed

    J M Guest

    the reason why the cut off is '5'....

    0,1,2,3,4 round down (preceding digit is not advanced)
    5,6,7,8,9 round up (preceding digit is advanced)


    which gives us an even split
     
    J M, Jun 4, 2004
    #30
  11. yahmed

    J M Guest

    the reason why the cut off is '5'....

    0,1,2,3,4 round down (preceding digit is not advanced)
    5,6,7,8,9 round up (preceding digit is advanced)


    which gives us an even split
     
    J M, Jun 4, 2004
    #31
  12. yahmed

    L Alpert Guest


    Well, we could argue about what is least significant, but it would be a
    useless exercise. As far as gas mileage is concerned, I would think a
    single decimal place would be proper, as the error is small.

    The 12.94, that would be rounded to 12.9, keeping it constant if it is
    decided to use 3 significant digits, which would yield a 27.9 final tally.
    Either way, both numbers are <.2% off from the 27.85 figure. This margin of
    error could be deemed acceptable. Without having an actual tolerance, it is
    impossible to tell what really is least significant.
     
    L Alpert, Jun 5, 2004
    #32
  13. yahmed

    L Alpert Guest


    Well, we could argue about what is least significant, but it would be a
    useless exercise. As far as gas mileage is concerned, I would think a
    single decimal place would be proper, as the error is small.

    The 12.94, that would be rounded to 12.9, keeping it constant if it is
    decided to use 3 significant digits, which would yield a 27.9 final tally.
    Either way, both numbers are <.2% off from the 27.85 figure. This margin of
    error could be deemed acceptable. Without having an actual tolerance, it is
    impossible to tell what really is least significant.
     
    L Alpert, Jun 5, 2004
    #33
  14. yahmed

    L Alpert Guest

    No need to round a "0". It's already there.
     
    L Alpert, Jun 5, 2004
    #34
  15. yahmed

    L Alpert Guest

    No need to round a "0". It's already there.
     
    L Alpert, Jun 5, 2004
    #35
  16. yahmed

    uphilldoggie Guest

    Ah, good one, thanks. I'd used google's calculator a time or two for
    simple expressions but didn't know it could accept equations. You've
    prompted me to read a bit more about it, and it seems quite flexible.
    From your example above,

    11.86km/l=?mi/gal

    and

    11.86km/l in mi/gal

    give the same result, and for example

    32c=?f

    or

    32c in f

    converts 32 degrees Centigrade into degrees Farenheit. But how do we
    know which units are convertible? From

    http://www.google.com/help/calculator.html

    "The calculator understands many different units, as well as many
    physical and mathematical constants. These can be used in your
    expression. Many of these constants and units have both long and short
    names. You can use either name in most cases. For example, km and
    kilometer both work, as do c and the speed of light.

    Feel free to experiment with the calculator as not all of its
    capabilities are listed here."

    Ha! Ah well, perhaps they'll add a units key soon. I'd been using

    http://www.onlineconversion.com

    but access to Google is quicker.

    -------
    NB: If response to this post does not concern the calculator, please
    delete k12.ed.math and sci.math newsgroups from your post, thanks.

    (Mutter, mutter, now lessee, 2 mi = ? nautical miles...ah, works.
    Hmm, what about deg-min-sec to UTM...)
     
    uphilldoggie, Jun 5, 2004
    #36
  17. yahmed

    uphilldoggie Guest

    Ah, good one, thanks. I'd used google's calculator a time or two for
    simple expressions but didn't know it could accept equations. You've
    prompted me to read a bit more about it, and it seems quite flexible.
    From your example above,

    11.86km/l=?mi/gal

    and

    11.86km/l in mi/gal

    give the same result, and for example

    32c=?f

    or

    32c in f

    converts 32 degrees Centigrade into degrees Farenheit. But how do we
    know which units are convertible? From

    http://www.google.com/help/calculator.html

    "The calculator understands many different units, as well as many
    physical and mathematical constants. These can be used in your
    expression. Many of these constants and units have both long and short
    names. You can use either name in most cases. For example, km and
    kilometer both work, as do c and the speed of light.

    Feel free to experiment with the calculator as not all of its
    capabilities are listed here."

    Ha! Ah well, perhaps they'll add a units key soon. I'd been using

    http://www.onlineconversion.com

    but access to Google is quicker.

    -------
    NB: If response to this post does not concern the calculator, please
    delete k12.ed.math and sci.math newsgroups from your post, thanks.

    (Mutter, mutter, now lessee, 2 mi = ? nautical miles...ah, works.
    Hmm, what about deg-min-sec to UTM...)
     
    uphilldoggie, Jun 5, 2004
    #37
  18. yahmed

    JM Guest

    1000 meters will cut your horsepower output by 11%. I lived at 3000
    feet for 5 years and that was the concensus in the automotive world
    there. Atmospheric O2 pressure is essentially a logarithmic function
    of the altitude, so it is not proportional and you can't "eyeball" the
    power loss at other altitudes using this figure.

    The altitude will not directly affect your mileage, at least on modern
    FI cars. But, since you have to rev the engine harder to keep up
    decent torque, there will be small additional friction losses due to
    the higher rpm. Also its harder on your ears to drive this way, so
    maybe some people will settle for lower engine output in the first
    place.

    JM
     
    JM, Jun 5, 2004
    #38
  19. yahmed

    JM Guest

    1000 meters will cut your horsepower output by 11%. I lived at 3000
    feet for 5 years and that was the concensus in the automotive world
    there. Atmospheric O2 pressure is essentially a logarithmic function
    of the altitude, so it is not proportional and you can't "eyeball" the
    power loss at other altitudes using this figure.

    The altitude will not directly affect your mileage, at least on modern
    FI cars. But, since you have to rev the engine harder to keep up
    decent torque, there will be small additional friction losses due to
    the higher rpm. Also its harder on your ears to drive this way, so
    maybe some people will settle for lower engine output in the first
    place.

    JM
     
    JM, Jun 5, 2004
    #39
  20. IIRC Honda didn't get that, the EPA did. Overall my '03 Accord EX sedan
    w/automatic has gotten 26 mpg (12,500 miles). I consistently get > 30
    mph on the highway, with a max going to NC of 34 mpg (absolutely NO city
    driving & no A/C).
     
    Vince McGowan, Jun 5, 2004
    #40
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